Suhiir's Revised USMC OOB #13

[shahadi]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

Now, if it bothers you enough to do ALL the research yourself and create a custom OOB, based on verifiable research NOT "best guess" go for it !

Nah, that's not my point to get the oobs redone. However, if I choose to do a scen using SEAL, USMC, ROKS, for example, then yeah, I would tweak the units I needed too, while leaving the oob untouched. So, I might build a custom formation in Mobhack, then over in Scenhack change somethings, then in the game Editor use the D key to change the load outs, etc.

I mean, I try to let the player know when I've tweaked units (for game sim play experience based on solid research.) I don't open my mouth without references, else someone put a foot in it.

Abraham

[Suhiir]

That's what the editor is for!
I use it all the time when making scenarios.

[cbreedon]

Hi

Do you have the ANGLICO teams represented in the game? Or are you just using the FO units?

[Suhiir]

Originally Posted by cbreedon

Hi

Do you have the ANGLICO teams represented in the game? Or are you just using the FO units?

There's not a lot of reason (in game) to represent them separately as an FO-is-an-FO-is-an-FO.
"Recon" teams are parachute units and always include and FO.

[cbreedon]

I hadn't noticed that there were FO units in the recon units.

I'll use them

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by Suhiir

The USMC as a whole tends to emphasize marksmanship more then any national army

Here's a US Army related report on the M16A2 circa 1982-83 from a contractor working with Fort Benning:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a168577.pdf

[MarkSheppard]

Originally Posted by DRG

Which is why there are variations in the morale and experience ratings of each nation in the game and that's as far as it's going to go

I don't know if Base experience and morale is randomized each time you load up a battle, but from a simple look, in January 1989, the USMC has +4 Experience and +3 Morale over the US Army, which is about right for the more intensely focused Marine training which has more emphasis on infantry combat arms, as opposed to the US Army's Big Green Machine Of Doom [TM].

[Suhiir]

That experience/morale base also varies from time-to-time.
Check the US Army and USMC during the 1970's you'll see it's lower then it is in say the 1990's.

As to the M-16, it always amused me that the official US Army manuals declared the maximum effective range of the M-16A1 was 460m yet every Marine was required to quality at that range. From what I saw of US Army ranges they never fired more then 300m and the requirements to qualify were lower. But I suppose that makes sense since Army doctrine was volume of fire vice the Marine one of quality.

[Suhiir]

Due to a computer melt-down during the v10 update to WinSPMBT several USMC OOB changes didn't get submitted.

Notably the addition of MARSOC/Raiders and the removal of the vision 40 fire teams and squads that were place-holders for MARSOC until I got some verifiable information about them and load-out changes to the F-35 as I also have better info on them now. And a few other tweaks (such as taking advantage of some new icons and LBMs) that should be transparent and not effect compatibility with the official OOB.

But, as always this is an UNOFFICIAL OOB modification.

[cbreedon]

I was actually looking for the MARSOC units last night. I knew I had seen them somewhere. Thanks