WinSPMBTver3.0 Info - Page 9

DRG · #81 January 19th, 2007, 12:07 PM

Kuklinovsky ...... if you are simply going to ignore what others say and hurl abuse at them then leave this forum, you are wasting everyone's time with your nonsense.

I asked you for REAL info on the Mi-24K and all you can come back with is you'll add TI to it in your OOB's. Really??? ON WHAT EVIDENCE are you adding TI to this??. There is NO evidence that that helicopter used TI only IR

"IRIS wide-angle IR and optical sensor system."

is all that ANY source says this helo carried IR is NOT TI

The only one acting like a "teen" on these forums is you Kuklinovsky. Normally people are warned to modify their behaviour off list. In your case I'll make an exception. Disagreement on this forum is fine, but only in a respectful manner....no more name calling or you're gone.

Don

Kuklinovsky · #82 January 19th, 2007, 01:11 PM

Of course only I am an "acting teen" on this forum because real Western teens are waiting now for WinSPMBT 3.0 impatiently! They will be albe to smash Soviets like Iraqis with pleasure and everything will be fine!

Well, you can't intimidate me bannig from forum becaue I am leaving it myself!

But don't worry. I am sure hordes of combative US/UK teens will join this forum now! :mgreen:

Stirling · #83 January 19th, 2007, 01:48 PM

How much you want to bet that Kuklinovsky has a picture of Vladimir Zhirinovsky on his wall?

Right over Stalin's.

BaronvonBeer · #84 January 19th, 2007, 04:46 PM

USSR becoming Iraq is a bit extreme.

To do that you would have to do some serious OOB modding: Replace tanks with stripped down export T-72, at the high end. Replace it's gun to simulate 1970's vintage 3BM-12 & 3BM-15 SABOT rounds (some of local, allegedly inferior quality, manufacture) and reduce crew quality by a good margin.

And that's not factoring in IFVs, artillery, ATGMs, aircraft, and the fact that the open engagements of the desert had about as much in common with your typical West German battlefield as Antarctica has with Daytona Beach.

I don't think removing TI from a few Hind models that had em by mistake will quite do it.

Kuklinovsky · #85 January 19th, 2007, 08:11 PM

Why would you be satisfied only with blinding Hinds??? By changing all OOBs only for a few poor Hinds you simply waste your time!

So, I can also advise some little tinkering at Soviet reactive armors. In consequence these armors could explode together with entire tanks when hit by Western ATGMs for example. It would be so wonderful show for our eager for strong sensations US and UK teens! You should make special tank explosion effects to enable teens to be transported with joy. In that way you can simultaneously "correct" all newer Soviet/Russian tanks characteristics to the Iraqi level. It is really magnificent idea, fellows!

Let it roll!

PS1. I suggest all profies to set Hinds vision at 70 when you playing with teens armed with Apache-D overrated at 60 visual points. Justice must rule, guys!

PS2. You should also create yourselves some "energy shields" for Soviet tanks immediately after some hypothetical "changes" in Soviet reactive armor takes place!

FAREWELL!

DRG · #86 January 19th, 2007, 09:00 PM

I have already stated that there has not been any wholesale downgrading of the Russian/WP etc OOB's. The main focus was to correct the TI given to Hinds. In the Hungarian OOB that was as early as 1978 which actually predated when the Russian Hinds were getting it. Currently, for those of you who are actually willing to listen, T1... real thermal imaging not radar, starts appearing in the Russian OOB in 1990 which is reasonable give the facts as they are known.( anyone can argue that a Helo with IR gear really had TI gear and not offer proof but that doesn't make it correct ) The specialty OP vehicles that use the GSR little Fred and Tall Mike start in the mid 70's. Thost vehicles are rated at 40 or above which sets the flag to indicate "TI/GSR" both do essentially the same job at this scale so one is interchangeable with the other. A "40" in vision could be TI or GSR, it doesn't matter.

( and I added the SNAR-10 which nobody else seems to have noticed was missing from the Russian OOB and quite a few other OOB's as well which is rated at a "50" vision which puts a Russian player at a distict advantage in the mid 70's to early 80's...... yeah.... we're just crapping all over the Russian player with the V3 release

)

Some people ( one in particular ) have expressed concerns ( both rationally and otherwise ) that this was done to create a deliberate imbalance in the game to favour the "western" side. This, is patent, utter nonsense but, with some, once an idea takes hold they simply will not listen. Those people will be removed from this forum becasue, as in Kuklinovsky case, he is spouting utter nonsense "They will be albe to smash Soviets like Iraqis with pleasure and everything will be fine" is pure fantasy and it really is sad when people let fantasy rule their thoughts.

The OOB's have not been tweaked to deliberately weaken or strengthen either "side" we have, as always, strived to be fair and impartial in our work on the OOB's. Errors do creep in but with a database this size and much of the information still classified it's to be expected. In this case we corrected an error that had existed almost from the first release of SPMBT and the number of units actually changed is miniscule in relation to the actual number of units for all nations in the game. We've added dual charge HEAT ammo to the game which is almost exclusively a "Russian" ( and their arms customers )addition and that's been totally forgotten.( or just simply ignored )

This entire TI issue was blown way out of proportion for reasons unknown. I explained a number of times that this was not a massive change to the game and it's not.

Don

DRG · #87 January 19th, 2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Kuklinovsky said:
FAREWELL!

We can all hope so.

Don

Kuklinovsky · #88 January 19th, 2007, 09:13 PM

If much of information is still classified I can do a realistic assumption that placing TIs on selected Soviet Hinds and tanks is also keep secret up to now! So, all profies are free to set Soviet tanks visual at 50 points starting from, say 1981 or 1984, and who can tell this is impossible??? Soviets were well known for their "maskirovka"!

Additionally I demand smoke grenades and projectiles on Soviet side which can completely block Western TIs! Such aerosols have been existing not only in US arsenal from way back!

Kuklinovsky · #89 January 19th, 2007, 10:10 PM

Yes, I have found another banana oil here!

"A 40 in vision could be TI or GSR, it doesn't matter."

Of course, it DOES matter simply because GSR is far more resistant for darkness, dust, fog, smoke, aerosols and other weather and battlefield conditions than any TI!

As an esteemed WinSPMBT forum's professional man I can't agree to give me the shaft! It is very rudely!

Uncle_Joe · #90 January 19th, 2007, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Some people ( one in particular ) have expressed concerns ( both rationally and otherwise ) that this was done to create a deliberate imbalance in the game to favour the "western" side. This, is patent, utter nonsense but, with some, once an idea takes hold they simply will not listen.

This same type of nonsensical crap is also present in most other military-style game forums. The Axis and Allies Minis boards are full of people openly accusing WotC of purposely making the US 'better' to cater to the US buyers. And its a load of complete BS.

So, IMO, its best to simply ignore these people who must take their hatred of all things US in the modern world and apply it even to their hobbies.