Do you like Klingons?

[PvK]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
... I have to defend this one. This plot twist was explained in later episodes. There was a race of beings the went around creating duplicate worlds and transplating raced to those worlds for study. However something happened to the race and it was wiped out by another race. Both TOS and TNG, as well as episodes in DS9, mention races that did this.

When is this mentioned in TOS?

PvK

[TerranC]

Originally posted by PvK:

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
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When is this mentioned in TOS?

PvK

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I think Atrocities' confusing Organians (sp?) with that progenitor alien on TNG.

[ January 04, 2004, 21:37: Message edited by: TerranC ]

[oleg]

Originally posted by Atrocities:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Voyager was a good series...

Fyron your my friend so I will not take that comment personally while I try to repres my urge to vomet.

*shakes violently*

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Fyron was right to tell it "was", because it "is not". About dead say only good or nothing. In contrast, ST:OS IS a good show.

[Fyron]

Word games, eh? Voyager is a good show.

[Atrocities]

Originally posted by PvK:

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
... I have to defend this one. This plot twist was explained in later episodes. There was a race of beings the went around creating duplicate worlds and transplating raced to those worlds for study. However something happened to the race and it was wiped out by another race. Both TOS and TNG, as well as episodes in DS9, mention races that did this.

When is this mentioned in TOS?

PvK

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I don't have a specific episode log for you. Sorry man. You'll have to watch them all over again.

[Kamog]

It was an ancient race called the "Preservers" who went around transplanting humanoid races from planet to planet and saving them from extinction. They were mentioned in episode 58, "The Paradise Syndrome". You know, the one where Captain Kirk is stuck on a planet inhabited by Native Americans, and he loses his memory and gets married while the Enterprise tries to stop an asteroid from hitting the planet.

[PvK]

Another "astounding" episode. That's gonna hurt to re-watch.

Thanks.

PvK

[Atrocities]

There were other episodes as well, the Indian one, where Kirk looses his memorie. The Corbonie Manuaver were we discover that there was a really ancient race of exploriers. The Doomsday Machine ws another good episode.

By all counts the Quadrant that Earth and the other races are in is filled with younger races. The Dominion was founded 10,000 years before man walked the earth, and the Borg are realatively a young race at 2,000 years old. (The Borg are explained in better detail in Shatners Star Trek books. Most are rather good and explain a lot about Star Trek V & VI and his death scene in Star Trek VII. A good read.)

No one knew what happened to the Enterprise A after she was decommissioned. She was given away and later destroyed.

What about the loop holes? Scotty knew Kirk had been lost to the Nexus, but when he was rescued from the transported buffer in TNG era, his first words were about Kirk coming to rescue him. Ever think about that? Tis explained somewhere, Scotty actually goes back in time, "after" he his ship crashes on the Dysonsphere. He removes any record of the ships loss from all federation data banks and goes on with his life up to the point where Kirk is lost. He knew the future, but could not tell any one, that is why he knew that Kirk was gone after the accident on Enterprise B.

What ever happened to Spock and the Romulan Rebels? Did they ever succeed?

These kind of question are what books are for. The actors that played these parts are now too old to base movies off of.

What about Savik? Checkov became Commander And Chief Starfleet, but what about Sulu?

NOTE to Fyron: One of the many reasons I hated voyager was that story they did where Tuvok was on the Excelcior at the time that ST VI was occuring and they killed off a character that you can clearly see in the back ground in the final bridge shot of Sulu's good bye to Kirk. Voyage lacked on many levels consistant detail and story continuity with the other series and movies. (The character that should have been used was the one played by Christan Slater.)

Don't get me wrong there were some fine episodes of Voyager, but not very many.

[ January 05, 2004, 06:23: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Fyron]

AT, no Star Trek series has good continuity. Voyager was no exception. Actually counting the different fill ins they used as random crew members is just being anally retentive and serves no real purpose. Who the hell cares that they did not use the exact same fill ins every single time? Big deal. Star Trek is rife with holes. The only thing that is consistent in Star Trek is that it is not consistent.

[ January 05, 2004, 06:25: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Atrocities]

Very true, but Voyager really blew it out of proportion.

I think that Voyager could have been a lot better, but the one thing that got me was that no one cared to pay attention to the details.

A count was kept of the crew members seen on the show, and after seven years that count was over 200 while the ship only had a crew of something like 135.

The ship looked as new as the day it was crissoned despite not having resources to reapir hull damage.

The Shuttles craft count. They blew up quite a few. (This was eventually touched on in one episode where they mentioned they were building replacements.) Good catch.

The fact that they had replactor rationing when they could eat all the food they wanted in the Holo-suites.

I could go on.

The point is despite having the potential, voyager became far less than it could have become.

STNG was very consistant, as was DS9. Enterprise is also doing an ok job but who knows what will happen there.