Parganos game for 6 players (running)

[st.patrik]

It's not that you attacked first; it's that you attacked, and I didn't.

I hope no-one is fooled by this propaganda into believing that I am the aggressor here. There is one simple truth to this situation: you attacked my province without warning or provocation; I still have not lifted one finger against any of your provinces.

I tire of the poisonous talk.

[st.patrik]

Man set to AI. I'm off to find a less offensive game.

[Ewierl]

st.patrik said:
Man set to AI. I'm off to find a less offensive game.

Seriously? Jeez, people. Someone misrepresenting the causes of a war in in-game terms (ie, referring to nations not players) is pretty standard MP forum propaganda.

[Sensori]

And hell, those things rarely are actual personal attacks. They are an indicator of success more than that. It shows that C'tis instantly got nervous of you having troops on his border and started talking against you, even if it was completely innocent, which in turn shows that he fears you.

This is, actually, supposed to be a good thing.

But I really have no idea why he would attack with a Queen of Elemental Air, though, if the army was actually that strong. Sounds like a blunder to me.

[Tuidjy]

Ok, lets be serious here.

First of all, if moving 1500 troops and 100 mages to an undefended border is not
provocation, I do not know what is.

Second, unrest is being stirred in my provinces, and I would be exteremely
surprised if it is Jomon's ninjas doing it. They are too busy assassinating
my priests with variable success.

Third, my only western army was hit with Beconning, and while there is another
Nature nation in the game, I don't see why it would be weakening me.

And fourth, who the Hell cares who started the war... roleplaying is one thing,
and the C'tis Emperor has been a whiny coward the whole game, but it is clear
that Man and C'tis have to fight. As far as I am concerned, since Man broke
the alliance, I have never needed a reason to attack him. I just had a
multitude of reasons not to, no matter how much I wanted it.

Other nations will decide which side (if any) to take based on their
perception of the balance of power, and on the existing alliances. I
think I am significantly weaker than Man, and I did not expect Man to
receive any support, with or without propaganda.

I feel that I need to engage in both diplomacy and propaganda, given
that I am sitting in the middle of the map, bordering everyone (and
Jomon twice ;-) I do not think I have said one single factual lie the
whole time, and if something is subject to interpretation, I would
like to hear Man's.

Any chance this game can be salvaged? Can the AI be given to a player?
Man is the most powerful nation in my estimate, and setting it to AI
will ruin the game. I am sure that C'tis, Mictlan and Pangea (in alpha order)
can work together to defeat it, but if I wanted to stomp AIs, I'd be playing SP.

[Tuidjy]

> But I really have no idea why he would attack with a Queen of Elemental Air,
> though, if the army was actually that strong. Sounds like a blunder to me.

Oh, it was not one army. He moved four or five armies to most of our border
provinces. His armies were full of siege specialists and they were close enough
to crack three castles in one turn, and my capital in two. There may be a
way this coudl have been innocent, but there is no way it looked innocent ;-)

I sent the Air Queen on top of his army because I needed her in a neighboring
province one turn later, wanted his army to waste gems, and wanted to do some
damage. And frankly, I knew I could not stop the castles' takeover no matter
what, so I wanted to show some fight ;-)

By the way, if the Air Queen had not interpreted "Attack archers" as "Attack
undead, illusions, and anything but archers, even if they are standing next to you"
she may have won. As it is, she killed about 60 men (25%) from a army led
by 10 mages and routed.

[vfb]

Wow! There I was, lurking and enjoying the banter, and poof! It's over. What a disappointment. I guess the players remaining in the game may be even more disappointed.

I've gotta agree with Ewierl. Tuidjy's propaganda was not only most certainly in character, it was an entertaining read.

[st.patrik]

I guess I see it in a different light given the context of very heated communication and name-calling that occured earlier in the game over e-mail between Tuidjy and myself.

After a serious personal (and it was most certainly personal) conflict the comments take on a different light - especially when the previous trouble (which was a misunderstanding) is something I am blamed for in these posts - like our earlier disagreement (and my subsequent 12 month peace) was trying to abuse the situation. I find that offensive.

I guess you guys seeing only one part could think this is just banter. I don't believe it to be so. It sours the game (for me) to have these kinds of things said.

I wish you guys well and I'm sorry if Man being AI screws with the game. Honestly I think the AI is not that smart - you should be able to succeed against me pretty well I should think. Plus which the numbers of troops under my command on C'tis's borders was hugely exagerated - not even close to 1500 and 100 mages. I had 4 army groups, each with 200 troops and a handful of mages. So maybe 800 on the front lines and another 200 or so elsewhere.

All that to say, I think you guys will fare fine. The AI doesn't know how to deal with a well-planned human attack.

[Ewierl]

The problem is more that the AI doesn't do diplomacy. Do we have a master password with the power to put in a sub instead of AI? Or is the AI decision irreversible?

[ajr]

I don't believe I can reverse a switch to AI, even with the master password (in fact, as far as I know the only thing that the master password allows me to do is set a player to AI). With that said, I may be able to back things out manually - I have all of the turn files saved - but I don't have Man's password for a sub. st.patrik, would you be willing to give me your password?