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When I saw this I about had a " heart attack" that they did this so quietly without word leaking out is amazing in it's own right, however, INDIA knowing I've been watching and being critical of them must have done this to show me what they can do and shut me up!?!
What they've apparently done is, I believe and pending further research, is taken the top 14 of the over 96 improvements the ARMY demanded DRDO to make for the ARJUN Mk 2 to come up with the ARJUN Mk 1-A going into production ( 118) this year with the trials completed. And the ARMY said OK!?! Somebody must've got " somebody drunk" or something!?!
https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...dian_army.html
I know what it was, they saw my last post finishing out the T-90S tank issue ending it with INDIA, that they were so happy with it that this was my reward for all those years I've been covering INDIA for the game, I'm truly honored by this!?!
I should've started sooner with the very first MBT Post, maybe they would've inducted the full ARJUN Mk 2!?! by now
Oh Well, take what you can get, I suppose.
I think I'll celebrate my victory with a very good and loud 4K movie, that'll make CINCLANTHOME happy!!
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Re: MBT's
THIS IS MORE ABOUT CLEANING OUT MY FILES...
The next two are files I used also in sorting through the in game ABRAMS issues encountered which Don has well in hand now. The first one is the most important one focusing on the M1A2 SEP V3/ M1A2C, what's important about is how closely it's tracking in the " RW" and was a key ref. in the submitting of the revised FOC date. I don't know how I didn't post it then.
https://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports...15m1a2sep3.pdf
http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-abrams-series/
Also Vietnam is wasting no time in starting training on the first batch of T-90S tanks it received this last January. I'd say for the time being, the revised FOC date submitted is right on track.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...tle_tanks.html
I can't believe they're still using the T-34/85 in an operational status.
And finally for the M1A1 FEP, another that got away that was useful in helping establish a timeline for this tank...
https://www.defencetalk.com/raytheon...-sensors-2307/
This last I don't remember if I posted it or not, I believe what I did post was the USMC assessment as an add on to the M1A1 FEP submission, anyway, here's the " Full Monty" if your in curious sort of state. Again this from a well respected " Think Tank".
https://www.heritage.org/military-st...military-power
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Re: MBT's
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Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH
This last I don't remember if I posted it or not, I believe what I did post was the USMC assessment as an add on to the M1A1 FEP submission, anyway, here's the " Full Monty" if your in curious sort of state. Again this from a well respected " Think Tank".
https://www.heritage.org/military-st...military-power
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Your "little" Full Monty resulted in:
UNITS
Unit# 140 F/A-18A Hornet - Dates 07/83-06/89, Speed=19, Vision=25, Weapon#2 215 HE=2, Weapon#3 209 HE=2, Weapon#4 200 HE=2
Unit# 141 F/A-18C Hornet - Dates 07/89-06/118, Radio=90, Vision=40
Unit# 142 F/A-18C Hornet - Dates 07/89-06/118, Vision=40, Weapon#2 200 HE=3, Weapon#3 185 HE=3
Unit# 143 EA-6Bic Prowler - Dates 03/98-06/109
Unit# 149 F/A-18C Hornet - Rename "F/A-18D Hornet", Dates 07/89-12/125, Vision=40, Weapon#2 199 HE=4, Weapon#3 199 HE=4
Unit# 216 F/A-18A+ Hornet (NEW UNIT - Copy of Unit# 140) - Dates 01/90-06/118, Speed=19, Vision=25, Weapon#2 213 HE=2, Weapon#3 0 HE=0, Weapon#4 0 HE=0
Unit# 219 F/A-18D Hornet - UC=223, Dates 07/89-12/125, Radio=90, Vision=40, Weapon#2 185 HE=3, Weapon#3 203 HE=3, Weapon#4 185 HE=3
Unit# 574 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=11
Unit# 575 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=11
Unit# 583 F-35C Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125
Unit# 584 F-35C Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10
Unit# 585 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10, Weapon#2 178 HE=13, Weapon#3 178 HE=13
Unit# 586 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, Speed=15, EW=10
Unit# 587 EF-35C Ferret - Dates 07/118-12/125, Speed=18, EW=13, Weapon#2 194 HE=2, Weapon#3 197 HE=2, Weapon#4 197 HE=2
Unit# 592 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10
Unit# 593 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10
Unit# 594 F-35B Ltng II - Dates 07/118-12/125, EW=10
Unit# 904 F/A-18A Hornet - Rename "F/A-18B Hornet", Vision=25, Dates 07/83-12/89, Speed=19, Weapon#2 199 HE=3, Weapon#3 199 HE=3
Unit# 905 F/A-18C Hornet - Rename "F/A-18D Hornet", Dates 07/89-12/125, Vision=40, Weapon#2 209 HE=4, Weapon#3 208 HE=4, Weapon#4 208 HE=4
Unit# 931 F/A-18E Hornet - Rename "F/A-18F Hornet*", Radio=91
Unit# 932 F/A-18E Hornet - Rename "F/A-18E Hornet*", Radio=91
Unit# 933 F/A-18F Hornet - Rename "F/A-18E Hornet*", UC=223, LBM=13344, Dates 03/112-06/118, Radio=91, Weapon#2 178 HE=13, Weapon#3 178 HE=13, Weapon#4 0 HE=0
Unit# 936 F/A-18B Hornet (NEW UNIT - Copy of Unit# 904) - Speed=19, Vision=25, Dates 07/83-12/89, Weapon#2 209 HE=2, Weapon#3 208 HE=3, Weapon#4 208 HE=3
Unit# 940 E/A-18G Growler - LBM=56017, Dates 07/109-12/128
Hope you're happy
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May 5th, 2019, 11:26 AM
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There was a " meeting of the minds" I will simply leave it as that with a BIG Thank You to Don.
This Thread has always meant " Homeplate" to me and I'm grateful to get back to business here.
I will be adapting some format changes to this and the other Threads I post on along the lines of one of my best resources, Defense Industry Daily ( DID) in the way their articles are formatted.
My first will one back will deal with the OPLOT-M early campaign performance and something I've not seen the AI do in the multiple x many campaigns I've played as Ukraine vs. Russia over the years, nothing bad, just different in it's (AI) MBT picks I've seen in my current campaign.
Don again thank you!
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Concerning the Ukrainian OPLOT-M I will first start with a question.
When I have put together my " core" units in a generated campaign (I always normally assign the AI as many points as I allocate for myself.), does the AI in picking it's units have " intel" on the likely units I have or possibly will operate with? Or is it simply the " law of averages" has finally caught up to me?
I've often wondered about this but, to be honest, I never gave it any thought until what I saw in my current long campaign Ukraine vs. Russia first two games (2nd still in play.) a change in it's MBT picks as will be addressed below last.
First to the platitudes and they are well deserved. I long suspected the OPLOT-M wasn't performing as it should especially as it's listed in so many " Top 10" lists worldwide concerning MBT's.
Bottom-line, my tanks were getting killed at a ratio of 3:1 as the testing would prove as well on average. The main opponent and most of the time ONLY MBT was the Russian T-72B3/B4 one of the best tanks we've entered into this game. It was right from the start as it is now..
The issues were... ARMOR/ERA/STABILISER/AMMO and the KOMBAT ATGM. KOMBAT though looked ( 3 times that I'm aware of.) at by Don and as I suspected also, was working as it should.
For more see Pg. 82 Post 813 through Pg. 85 Post 842 of my final thoughts and changes proposed in my submission to fix the OPLOT-M.
I'm a reference " nut" though some might use a different word or set of words to describe me. The following were my references I'm indebted to them all for assisting me on such short notice and as the submission clock was winding down, or so I (And Don.) thought at the time.
They are Aeraaa, jivemi, John (Imp), zovs66 and of course Don.
THANK YOU all for your patience, time, efforts and conclusions.
The payoff...Submitted my recommendations in the last post as noted above./Don accepted them as submitted./Added to the OOB's ( Thailand's would get about 3 changes as well.)./Verified as submitted.
Game results achieved my first marginal victory in the first game of this series of campaigns. Always set to " HARD". Notable events were my first hit probabilities now reflect the refs. at 94% so the Stabilizer adjustment is (I couldn't resist the next.) " dead on target". The Armor and ERA adjustments are also working as discussed in the refs. and as for all items, as noted over the years. Though discussed in the posts, I have no idea if the KBA-3 MG or ammo were adjusted.
I'm finally getting kills I never got even with KOMBAT though, only against one tank. I'm not over confident, I have also adjusted some tactics as discussed during the evaluations, however they alone cannot overcome the fact that the OPLOT-M is finally acting like a Top 10 tank should, it has finally arrived.
Now to the " why" of the lead in question above at the start. The direct peer Russian MBT is the T-90A/T-90M/T-90MS as later articles suspect for the latter two as well. The cited OPLOT-M advantages are overall are in STEEL (Turret built for the OPLOT not the standard T-84 one.)/ERA/FCS.
First game I have in my "core" 6 OPLOT-M tanks the Russian AI had on the field 4 T-72B3/B4 tanks and here's where the difference is now, 2 T-90A tanks that I've never seen on the field vs Ukraine before and 1 T-72M(?) newer version that I got my KOMBAT kill with. AI set to tank heavy though with plenty of artillery, mortars, infantry (foot) and those " darn" ATGM teams it ALWAYS likes to buy!?!
I actually thought to myself, Where did those T-90 tanks come from?
Just thought it unusual is all.
Before I move on the Ukrainian JAVELIN as entered is operating as it should as well.
Now for FYI and concerning Russia. Given the topic or event from this first ref. and it represents others I found, what's NOT mentioned in it? There are a variety of possible reasons I could list, however since the first prototype was unveiled, it hasn't missed a "May Day" event. The second reports the Russian tanks buys for this year, that above item is missing here as well, as published in January.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/apri...ry_parade.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/janu...s_in_2019.html
It's good to be "home".
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The game does not "know" what you are buying. its purchase routine is based solely on its picklist and radio codes influenced in part by its random number generator
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Some of this is updates, news etc. I haven't had much time to deal with game issues since the end of February and next Friday I'll have a better idea in the direction we'll be heading. So during this moment I'll endeavor to bring some of the world tank issues up to date the best I can and clean up some files as I go.
When I submitted the T-90 submissions for the last patch, I came across this, but am not sure if I posted it or not. I " tagged it" for the Algerian T-90 tanks and others that were actually equipped with them. SHTORA-1 is still a very viable system and this just has some good data points to it.
http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/shtora.html
BULGARIA: Attributed to JANE's, they look to be upgrading some of their T-72M1 tanks. My impression is this will be focused more on improving the FCS based on the info below. Usually when you get into LRF issues other components of a FCS will need to upgraded as well generally speaking. My assessment this will be accomplished by mid 2020 at latest.
https://armyrecognition.com/december..._vehicles.html
https://www.janes.com/article/85139/...its-t-72-tanks
FRANCE: I think it very possible we might see this next tank as early as mid to late 2022, though I feel mid 2023 might be more realistic. Someone needs to start a "pool" here!?! Anyway these refs. I'll be holding onto as I see them as actionable down the road.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/augu...2019-2025.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/main..._10704171.html
GERMANY/NETHERLANDS: This one I forgot about, the LEOPARD 2A6MA2 this represents the first fully digital LEO 2A6 tank. They reached FOC it seems last Summer of 2018, but more data is needed before submission is done, especially concerning any other new capabilities.
https://www.army-technology.com/news...-battle-tanks/
The next concerns the upgrading of LEO A6 to the LEOPARD 2A7V currently planned for 2026. Germany is unlike some other countries that come to mind right now, I feel there is a possibility of seeing this tank at some point in 2025 even if only for a few months or less. As always I'll be watching for further developments.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...mmunition.html
Why I saved this escapes at this moment, as I submitted several posts on this tank a few years back, I haven't had the time to check the OOB, but I suspect possibly it never got in it in the first place. Another possibility is that this Ref. wasn't available OR it has been updated given the date of it as 19 May 2019. FOC was in 2014/2015.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/germ...res_video.html
HUNGARY: This next is a TANK!! Yes they are getting (Contracts are signed.) the LEOPARD 2A7+ along with a couple of other armored vehicles. I'm really feeling FOC 2021 on this deal. We'll see.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/dece...o_hungary.html
Last one as I'm in a post shower relaxed state after a " lovely" day in the "field" making rounds in this 100+ degree Spring Day!!
SOUTH KOREA: This concerns the K2 which the Turkish ALTAY is based from and the Russians wish some of the ARMATA was too!! Well maybe not, however, though they solved the transmission issue FINALLY after two years+, this is one of the reasons I'm still not sure we'll see the other two tanks in the game. I posted this when it happened without a "whimper" from the "audience", am I the only one that doesn't find it strange the Russian didn't include the ARMATA in the last May Day parade? Especially after being in the previous 3 or 4 since it appeared as a prototype. To me this is good and we haven't heard a "peek" about the ARMATA in several months now since they acknowledged they were having several technical issues with it.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/may_...ear_delay.html
The good news is at least they're getting 106 more then originally planned for as they're concerned someone wants to draw down our forces there because we're such good friends with the North now.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/febr...rean_army.html
K1 to K1A1 anyone!?! The thing here is to watch for the end of service life of the K1.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...k1a2_mbts.html
Done we have a busy week ahead of us so until next time, have a great week everyone one!!
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