OberFuhrer, the Hobourg Special Hero!!!

[Cohen]

I've seen this hero for the first time in a game.
It's like a Solaris or Satina.

He's a Hobourg with those stats, if someone wants to put him as special hero in the Hobourg Nation:

7 HitPoints, size 1.
Morale 10
Base Encumbrance 4
MR 14
Str 7
Att 14
Def 17
Precision 10
OkLeader (25)

He's equipped with Black Steel Helmet and Full Plate.
Astral Serpent and Bracer of Defence.
Boots of the Messenger

AND an unique item obtainable only via wish:

Shortsword (not so short however)
2 handed weapon
12 Damage, *3 vs larger beings.
3 Att
4 Defence
2 Lenght

This weapon adds too and Air Shield (80).

[HotNifeThruButr]

I've seen him too, tough little bugger.

What exactly does Oberfuhrer mean? I know ober means over, or superior... I think. Is it German?

[Tuna-Fish]

Originally posted by HotNifeThruButr:
I've seen him too, tough little bugger.

What exactly does Oberfuhrer mean? I know ober means over, or superior... I think. Is it German?

Fuhrer, or führer, means simply "leader", so Oberfuhrer would be a superleader or leader of leaders or something. The word fuhrer does have a rather nasty ring though, due to a certain german who denounced existing titles and just wanted his people to call him "the leader".

[PvK]

That's hilarious, especially the 2-handed shortsword that does triple damage to larger targets!

PvK

[Boron]

wasn't the hoburgmod from illwinter themselves ?

nasty . either they don't know how bad this meaning really is or they have a very strange humor or worst case they are nazis

an explantion for the people who don't understand german / or have no historic knowlegde of 1933-1945 .
tuna-fish meant that hitler himself called him führer .
but if i remember right there was also SS-ranks like sturmgruppenführer , obersturmgruppenführer ...

so a really really stupid and bad choice for naming a hero .
if illwinter really has developed that mod themselves cause the description "This mod replaces Ulm with the Hoburg Alliance. It is mainly an example of how modding works. Feel free to modify this mod" suggests this they should remove this hero immediately because it is nothing but total crude .

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by Boron:
wasn't the hoburgmod from illwinter themselves ?

The original Version is. The special edition Version is fan-made.

[Cohen]

I was not talking about a mod.

I find it in an MP game in and Indep province with Hobourgs!

[Sheap]

I do not think it is necessary to get too worked up about this. It is only a word in German, just happens to be a word that a lot of people have heard in a bad context. It isn't synonymous with Hitler or Nazism or anything like that.

[Cainehill]

Originally posted by Boron:
wasn't the hoburgmod from illwinter themselves ?

nasty . either they don't know how bad this meaning really is or they have a very strange humor or worst case they are nazis

an explantion for the people who don't understand german / or have no historic knowlegde of 1933-1945 .
tuna-fish meant that hitler himself called him führer .
but if i remember right there was also SS-ranks like sturmgruppenführer , obersturmgruppenführer ...

so a really really stupid and bad choice for naming a hero .
if illwinter really has developed that mod themselves cause the description "This mod replaces Ulm with the Hoburg Alliance. It is mainly an example of how modding works. Feel free to modify this mod" suggests this they should remove this hero immediately because it is nothing but total crude .

First - the Hoburg mod makes Hoburgs into a human playable nation. Even without the mod, you should have noticed that hoburg provinces show up. And occasionally this 'oberfuhrer'.

Second - if 'fuhrer' is simply the German word for leader, it's stupid to say "oh, we need to ban it!". By your logic, you shouldn't have said the word 'hitler'. And we shouldn't ever use the word 'president', because that's what Bush has declared himself to be.

Oh, and the "Iron Pigs" spell has to be changed, because some people have been called pigs and are bothered by the word.

Then, Dominions2 should be Banned, because there's a lot of people (Christian, Muslem, Jewish, etc) who would take great offense at a game in which people have the goal of becoming God. Hell, I've seen people attempt to ban Dungeons and Dragons, both because there were devils in it, and because there was witchcraft (spells), and because there was idolatry (characters worshiping deities).

Yes, what Hitler did was horrible. But no more so than what Stalin did, or Pol Pot, or the government of the USA in the 1800s.

If a word offends you - deal with it.

And consider it the opportunity to kill the Oberfuhrer if you ever run across it in the game.

[PrinzMegaherz]

Most of the Hoburg names are silly.
Obstfreund means fruit friend.

The word führer itself has a very strong association with world war 2 and rarely used in its original meaning. You will find it however in combination with various other terms, like Lokführer as the guy who drives a train, or bergführer as the one who leads you trough the mountains