Toltayan Terminators, need ur help :P

[Me Loonn]

I've got a serious problem with them Toltayans.. in EVERY single game i get them as opponent, they ALWAYS wipeout EVERY other race thats out there, including myself
ATM, im on round 52 and they already have over twice my score, and triple or more compared the other AIs

Nowdays, I only use TDM+FQM with low AI bonuses, and i just seem to never win agains them. Rest of the AIs are really hard at early times, but with the superior focus on research i usually always win... eventually

Except when the Toltayans come banging my HW doors :/

[Loser]

Yeah, they're a great AI.

I know of no quick-and-easy or even slow-and-hard-but-sure way to deal with them.

You could take Deeply Religious...

[ October 15, 2003, 19:42: Message edited by: Loser ]

[Parasite]

Standard Toltayans can be mopped up by fighters. Their missile weapons cannot fire at them. Launch from the CV first (outside of combat), then send them in. I don't know about TDM AIs yet. They may use different weapons.

[PvK]

I think they must be talking about the TDM Toltoyans. The unmodded Toltoyans I've met have always been friendly.

PvK

[Loser]

Hmm... I seem to have mixed up the Toltayan with the Toron.

Whoops.

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Me Loonn:
I've got a serious problem with them Toltayans.. in EVERY single game i get them as opponent, they ALWAYS wipeout EVERY other race thats out there, including myself
ATM, im on round 52 and they already have over twice my score, and triple or more compared the other AIs

Nowdays, I only use TDM+FQM with low AI bonuses, and i just seem to never win agains them. Rest of the AIs are really hard at early times, but with the superior focus on research i usually always win... eventually

Except when the Toltayans come banging my HW doors :/

Hmmm, what TDM Version do you have installed?

Because the Toltayan performed very bad in the AI Death Match 2 that I runned some months go.
Here you can find the results: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1053735976.zip

And by the way, think so far the most strong TDM AI is the UF.

[Me Loonn]

Cant recall, not too old but not the latest either, i think..

-edit-
TDM 3.20

[ October 18, 2003, 12:25: Message edited by: Me Loonn ]

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by Me Loonn:
Cant recall, not too old but not the latest either, i think..

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TDM 3.20

Ok, then think you should try the Last one (3.30).
Here the link: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1066028417.zip

[Me Loonn]

Well its been long time since i got both United Flora and Toltayans same time in the galaxy, prob coss i only use max 10 AIs per game.

The United Flora are also really bad enemy, but toltayans are using PPBs etc, ripping thru my shield generator IIIs, making them useless.

Reason why i keep losing agains them is most likely coss i suk so badly in the game

Mayby i should try not to get hostile so fast with them ..

lol

[primitive]

Very strange that you have the Toltoyans beating up the other AI's several games in a row. I have played a bundle of SP games with TDM 3.20, and I can't remember the Toltoyans ever making it very far.

Originally posted by Me Loonn:
...... but toltayans are using PPBs etc, ripping thru my shield generator IIIs, making them useless.

Anyway, here my 0.02 $ on shields:
Personally I (almost) never build any Shields before I have at least Shield IV. If there are PPBs around, I dont build Shields until i get Phased III or IV. My advise is to always research Armor to the end before starting Shields to get Stealth and Scattering Armor early (for the bonuses). This gives ordinary Armor III for "free", which is comparable to low level Shields but both cheaper and safer.
1 Shield III: 40 KT - 150 shield points + 40 Damage - 300 Minerals
4 Armor III: 40 KT - 160 Damage - 200 Minerals