Would You Consider This A Backstab?

[Slynky]

Situation:

I have a defensive position at a planet. It's an obvious defensive position because there are always over 100 ships there, platforms everywhere, bases in the air, etc. Additionally, it is a converging point of several warpholes that I made.

A person whom I have a treaty with (nearly the entire game) moved a fleet of 100 ships to this point Last turn. I'm thinking, "Fine, thanks for the help." Then this turn runs, that fleet of 100 ships stays, and a ship in this fleet of his has "erased" one of my warpholes "under" my planets there. He didn't ask about erasing the warphole. The treaty between us is still in force.

If you were in my position, how would you feel? I'm thinking, "I built my network of warplines for a purpose and you have no right to come in unnanounced and delete one!"

Put yourself in the other person's shoes. Would you ever, with good intentions, move a fleet to a big defensive point of your ally and erase one of the warpholes there without discussing it with your ally?

[sachmo]

It was not cool for your ally to do that, but unless his action gave an advantage to your enemy, or he attacked you, I wouldn't say he backstabbed you. Maybe he didn't think about what you would think of his action?

[Slynky]

Originally posted by sachmo:
It was not cool for your ally to do that, but unless his action gave an advantage to your enemy, or he attacked you, I wouldn't say he backstabbed you. Maybe he didn't think about what you would think of his action?

Then, please offer me a reason that he COULD have done it but meant it in a friendly way. I can't think of one and it's why I posted here asking.

[AMF]

WElll...uh., if it was me, and this refers to what I think it does, it was cause he thought you wanted that WP removed and he told his ships to travel to waypoint X...which happened to take them through that system...let's talk offline IF this is the game I'm thinking of. And, uh, sorry!

EDIT: see, THIS is what happens when I am in too many games. I forget things like which WPs are dewsired by my allies and which are not, and I end up doing my turn at 2 in the morning and spending 5 minutes on it...argh...I'm a reliable and trustworthy - but clearly FLAKELY ally...

Originally posted by Slynky:

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Originally posted by sachmo:
It was not cool for your ally to do that, but unless his action gave an advantage to your enemy, or he attacked you, I wouldn't say he backstabbed you. Maybe he didn't think about what you would think of his action?

Then, please offer me a reason that he COULD have done it but meant it in a friendly way. I can't think of one and it's why I posted here asking.

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[ July 16, 2004, 14:09: Message edited by: alarikf ]

[sachmo]

Originally posted by Slynky:

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Originally posted by sachmo:
It was not cool for your ally to do that, but unless his action gave an advantage to your enemy, or he attacked you, I wouldn't say he backstabbed you. Maybe he didn't think about what you would think of his action?

Then, please offer me a reason that he COULD have done it but meant it in a friendly way. I can't think of one and it's why I posted here asking.

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And there you have it!

[Iansidious]

I would take him down HARD for that. Take him down there are others for allies.

[Slynky]

Well, sachmo, not sure what you mean but I'm talking to alarikf offline now. alarikf's message is a bit confusing, especially this part, "...cause he thought you wanted that WP removed and he told his ships to travel to waypoint X...which happened to take them through that system...". One can't move to a warp point and then close it. You have to be sitting on it at the beginning of the turn. As to traveling, the fleet I suspect of doing it didn't travel for 2 turns.

But, recognizing I could have the wrong idea who did it, I'm discussing it with alarikf now. But the fleet in question has a single ship there where the hole disappeared named "Vaccuum". Might just be a fluke. I'll find out before I take any stupid action.

[Atrocities]

He is about to break the treaty with you so be careful.

[AMF]

"Vacuum"? Ok, it ain't me.

That's encouraging.

My ship naming scheme is so simple achild could understand it. (standard USN scheme, really)

What I meant by the warp point/fleet movement thing was written too fast to be clear: I closed a WP that I thought we had discussed as one you wanted closing.

In a *separate* issue, I have also been moving some fleets around, so I could envision a situation where they took the "shortest route" to their destinations - and that might have taken them over your planets.

It looks like that is not what happened. Now, I may still have screwed up by closing the WP, but it's clear that it wasn't a backstab. "Vacuum" - bah, who names their ships Vacuum?

Originally posted by Slynky:
Well, sachmo, not sure what you mean but I'm talking to alarikf offline now. alarikf's message is a bit confusing, especially this part, "...cause he thought you wanted that WP removed and he told his ships to travel to waypoint X...which happened to take them through that system...". One can't move to a warp point and then close it. You have to be sitting on it at the beginning of the turn. As to traveling, the fleet I suspect of doing it didn't travel for 2 turns.

But, recognizing I could have the wrong idea who did it, I'm discussing it with alarikf now. But the fleet in question has a single ship there where the hole disappeared named "Vaccuum". Might just be a fluke. I'll find out before I take any stupid action.

[AMF]

Bah! You wish!

Originally posted by Atrocities:
He is about to break the treaty with you so be careful.