Why would Illithid mind bLasts affect my Carrion Lords?

Ascendent · #1 February 20th, 2004, 01:43 PM

My Carrion Lords are undead so wouldnt they be exempt from being mindbLasted to all hell? Just lost a fight against 1 illithid and 9 illithid soldiers against my 80 Mandragora and 1 Carrion Lord. Just wondering if I'm off base here. Prior to this I lost my Ettin Mandragora hero the same way...and he was undead as well. Just curious what everyone's thoughts on this would be.

Ascendent

Arralen · #2 February 20th, 2004, 01:59 PM

They are undead, but not mindless.
There's no dependency between those two.
Vinemen e.g. are mindless, but not undead, as are non-commander golems, statues etc.

SurvivalistMerc · #3 February 20th, 2004, 05:04 PM

It is always refreshing to see these replies by the devs.

PDF · #4 February 20th, 2004, 05:24 PM

I'm not bothered with Mind BLast affecting Undeads, but what always bothered me is that they get afflictions : how come a skeleton with only eyesocks could "lose an eye" or be weakened by a "chest wound" ?

[ February 20, 2004, 15:25: Message edited by: PDF ]

SurvivalistMerc · #5 February 20th, 2004, 05:33 PM

PDF,

I think some of the more powerful undead have to be able to get afflictions to make them balanced. Such as prince of death. And probably the carrion dragon.

What bothers me is a new proposal by some players not to allow undead to be healed of hps or afflictions.

PDF · #6 February 20th, 2004, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by SurvivalistMerc:
PDF,

I think some of the more powerful undead have to be able to get afflictions to make them balanced. Such as prince of death. And probably the carrion dragon.

What bothers me is a new proposal by some players not to allow undead to be healed of hps or afflictions.

Huh, I was one (or even the first) to propose that !

A Faery Queen healing a Wight or Vampire doesn't feel very "realistic" ...

So it makes sense, and powerful undeads (and Pretenders in particular) can "unlive" without healing !

Argitoth · #7 February 20th, 2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Kristoffer O:
Besides, it is not the brain that controls the body, its the soul.

I think the soul controls the brain which controls the body.

fahdiz · #8 February 20th, 2004, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Argitoth:
I think the soul controls the brain which controls the body.

...but let's not drag this informative thread off topic, please.

atul · #9 February 20th, 2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by PDF:
I'm not bothered with Mind BLast affecting Undeads, but what always bothered me is that they get afflictions : how come a skeleton with only eyesocks could "lose an eye" or be weakened by a "chest wound" ?

Well, if I'd have to guess... maybe the function of organs in dead have some resemblance to their former functions when living. Like the eyesocket has the essence of eye, enabling undead to see until the socket as a whole is smashed? Chest, where the heart used to be, is a conduit of energy that keeps the undead moving (alike 'vitae' in WoD vampires) and smashing the ribcage hinders that flow? A bit, what is it called, homeopathic feel in that explanation, tho...

Of course, I'm majoring in advanced energy systems, so necromancy isn't one of my strong points. Wrong game to discuss fusion and such.

Argitoth · #10 February 20th, 2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by atul:

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Originally posted by PDF:
I'm not bothered with Mind BLast affecting Undeads, but what always bothered me is that they get afflictions : how come a skeleton with only eyesocks could "lose an eye" or be weakened by a "chest wound" ?

Well, if I'd have to guess... maybe the function of organs in dead have some resemblance to their former functions when living. Like the eyesocket has the essence of eye, enabling undead to see until the socket as a whole is smashed? Chest, where the heart used to be, is a conduit of energy that keeps the undead moving (alike 'vitae' in WoD vampires) and smashing the ribcage hinders that flow? A bit, what is it called, homeopathic feel in that explanation, tho...

Those which are mindless are completely controlled by magic therefor do not need magical organs. Ghouls, on the other hand, are not completely controlled by magic.