Blamed Sabotage

Gorgo · #1 November 28th, 2001, 06:29 PM

Is it possible that the Messages your counter intelligence department gives you are wrong, or in other words, is there such a thing as blamed sabotage in SE IV, like it was in SE III?

Gorgo

Dracus · #2 November 28th, 2001, 07:17 PM

I think there is, but I am not going to bank on it.

Suicide Junkie · #3 November 28th, 2001, 09:20 PM

Comm mimic forces you to choose an empire to blame it on, but I can't think of any others that would work that way.

Puke · #4 November 29th, 2001, 12:17 AM

i think the question is not "can you intentionally frame someone for your hostile intel?"

rather, i think it is "is it possible that your minister is ever randomly WRONG about who they report the source of a hostile intel project to be?"

my answer is "i have no clue, whatsoever." But there are many here more wise than I.

Suicide Junkie · #5 November 29th, 2001, 02:21 AM

I'm pretty sure that they will either finger the correct instigator, or not mention any.

Still, I'm not 100% sure. A good test for this would be to start a 3-player game, and max out on intel production. Player 2 bombards player 1, player 3 is idle.
Player 1 uses varying amounts of counter-intel, and watches to see if anything ever seems to come from player 3.

Andr�s · #6 November 29th, 2001, 04:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Puke:
rather, i think it is "is it possible that your minister is ever randomly WRONG about who they report the source of a hostile intel project to be?"

I've seen it happen. My minister tellimg me I'm sabotaged by someone I know has 0 intel points, he must be wrong.

Phoenix-D · #7 November 29th, 2001, 05:05 AM

"My minister tellimg me I'm sabotaged by someone I know has 0 intel points, he must be wrong."

Not always. You can get intelligence points by trade (partnership treaty) and I don't these points show up in the listings unless you are the player using them.

He'd still need to have intel researched to do the attack though.

Phoenix-D

Q · #8 November 30th, 2001, 02:53 AM

Blamed sabotage/intel projects is one of the features from SE III that I miss the most in SE IV (after selecting individual starting technology levels).
I do not understand why MM did drop this in SE IV, although you have a very potent (even too potent) intel project in SE IV that will make two empires go to war against each other: communication mimic.
But still it would be nice to make intel projects (at a higher cost of course) without letting the victim know you did it!

[ 29 November 2001: Message edited by: Q ]