Medusa Sheild is killing blind and undead, bug?

Argitoth · #1 April 9th, 2008, 01:16 AM

Is the medusa shield supposed to be killing corpse candles and undead?

Xietor · #2 April 9th, 2008, 01:21 AM

The undead are not immune to petrify. It is no bug. Only stone beings and the blind are immune.

vfb · #3 April 9th, 2008, 01:25 AM

I agree, it's unthematic for the Aegis and Gorgon to kill blind units with petrification, based on their descriptions. (And gargoyles etc., but I think the last patch cleared that up.)

Xietor, units with the "Blind" attribute are not immune, I tested this with a Gorgon and Blindlords in 3.15. Units with both "Lost one eye" and "Lost the other eye as well" afflictions are not immune. It's possible units with the 'Blind' affliction are immune, I didn't test that.

Undead ... I could see them turning to stone, though.

Argitoth · #4 April 9th, 2008, 01:31 AM

The thing is that undead are essentially blind too, they are immune to darkness and plus, undead don't even have eyes. Maybe zombies have eyes, but skeletons sure don't. Undead are animated by magic. Undead don't use their eyes even if they had them. Medusa Sheild should not effect undead. Probably shouldn't effect mindless beings either.

Dedas · #5 April 9th, 2008, 01:38 AM

Skeletons have eyes, sure. It is just that they fell into their heads when the eye sockets rotted. Now they are rattling around in there, you just have to reach in and get them.

Next week I will teach you about Bog beasts.

triqui · #6 April 9th, 2008, 06:25 AM

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Argitoth said:
The thing is that undead are essentially blind too, they are immune to darkness and plus, undead don't even have eyes. Maybe zombies have eyes, but skeletons sure don't. Undead are animated by magic. Undead don't use their eyes even if they had them. Medusa Sheild should not effect undead. Probably shouldn't effect mindless beings either.

I disagree that undead are blind or dont even have eyes.

Ghouls have eyes and see

Vampires have eyes and see

Lictors have eyes and see

Banshees have eyes and see.

Liches have eyes and see.

Ghosts have eyes (ethereal eyes) and see

Banes, banelords and wights have eyes and see

Zombies have eyes and see.

Skeletons dont have eyes, but see.

So that is a total of one single undead that do not have eyes, the rest of them do. Plus the one that do not have them, still see.

Undeads dont have a Daredevil kind of radar, they see. They dont use a sight organ in the sense that alive humans do, but Air Elementals dont use a sight organ int he sense that alive humans do, and still see. Probably a Naiad or Faerie Queen or Demon dont follow regular human Biology as well, yet they see. They still need a Line of Sight to target you, they still can not notice you if you are behind a wall.

Wrana · #7 April 9th, 2008, 06:46 AM

Possibly the case is that the Petrification effect is just listed, while blind beings are only immune to blindness/eye loss. I don't think it can be changed outside of mayor code reworking...

As for undead - skeletons should probably get "blind" feature, as are probably those whose description says they are using some kind of "lifesense" instead of normal vision. And they surely can be petrified - except those ethereal who probably have nothing that can be turned to stone! I don't know whether such change is planned & how it looks from balance point of view (but it also would require re-coding)...

Xietor · #8 April 9th, 2008, 07:46 AM

There is a thread on this topic already, and it was explained by jk. The Stone Sword was fixed as a result of the discussion in the other thread, and stone beings are no longer killed by it. Stone being tag is hidden. The gargoyle definitely has the stone being tag though.

Undead dying to petrification is wad.

Argitoth · #9 April 9th, 2008, 11:31 AM

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triqui said:Ghosts have eyes (ethereal eyes) and see

Ghosts can't be turned to stone.

Some undead like ghouls use eye organs. However, zombies aren't alive in any way. A zomnie's eyes aren't alive. Undead like skeletons and zombies are completely animated by magic. They don't use eyes in any way.

I think we need to give blindness tag to a lot of undead as a way to solve this problem. Oh, but currently Medusa Shield kills blind units.

Argitoth · #10 April 9th, 2008, 11:40 AM

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triqui said:Ghosts have eyes (ethereal eyes) and see

Ghosts can't be turned to stone.

Some undead like ghouls use eye organs. However, zombies aren't alive in any way. A zombie's eyes aren't alive. Undead like skeletons and zombies are completely animated by magic. They don't use eyes in any way.

I think we need to give blindness tag to a lot of undead as a way to solve this problem. Oh, but currently Medusa Shield kills blind units.