New Finnish OOB

[Zipuli]

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[Warhero]

Wow, thanks a lot Zipuli!!! I must check this "mod" right now...

[Zipuli]

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[DRG]

Zipuli said:
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new rank -file,

I had a peak to see what you had done because it seems every Finn interested in SP has had a hand in modifying the MBT and WW2 Finn OOBs at one time or another. I'm starting to think it's a national pastime

I'm just curious. This is the standard rank series

Private
PFC or L/Cpl
Corporal
Sergeant
2nd Lt.
1st Lt.
Captain
Major
Lt. Col.
Colonel
General

that's the order the game uses to assign leaders in the game.

Now...... NOBODY but another Finn ( and me ) would notice this

Sotamies
Korpr.
Alik.
Kers.
Vanrikki
Ltn.
Ylil.
Kapteeni
Majuri
EvLtn.
Eversti

.....but why did you make the "Captain" a 1st Lt, the "Major" a Captain, the "Lt Col" a Major, the "Colonel" a Lt Col and the "General" a Colonel ?

Don

[Zipuli]

Yeah, it's a national pastime. Something with the Finns and the turn-based wargames I guess...

I changed the tanks to get correct leader ranks in correct formations. It's because we added one rank extra compared to "the norm" back in the day (which will be removed from use in near future). We added a rank called in english "senior lieutenant", which is bewteen a lt. and cpt.

Due to this new rank, the basic leaders for formations are (using translations here):

Corporal (Alik.) = Section
2nd Lt. (Vänrikki) = platoon
Lieutenant (Ltn.) = platoon-company
Senior Lieutenant (Ylil.) = company
Captain = battalion
Major = battalion-battlegroup
etc.

So, because of this I did not put the ranks as high as general and generals in the Finnish system don't command anything we would see in SPMBT. So it's not in line with the basic US/such rank file for that reason.

I hope I made sense there,

Zip

[Zipuli]

Please if you find bugs etc. do tell, and I get them fixed...

so far I fixed/added/changed following:
-ITO 96 Buk is no longer areal SAM, but SP-SAM (icon fixed), and has its own formations in misc. section
-BTR-60PB dates corrected (formations also)
-MLRS with ATACMS (M39) fixed (ammo quantity + type from HE-> CM)
-APILAS expire dates fixed (don't know when that will happen, but I use the guess of 2013...)
-to replace the APILAS I have added a "what if" AT weapon, the AT-4HP (Swedish pskott m/86HP) as NLAWs will most likely not be numerous enough to equip more than the operational units (which leaves only some 250000 to equip )
-AT-4 patrols and Urban/PzJaegers with AT-4 added as options
-added Super Puma chopper (used by the border guard, 3 in use)
-fixed AB206 dates (goes now up to 2010)
-added 95 S 58-61 Musti unit with LRF (handheld) from 2000 ->
-SPAA platoons (2/3) expired the wrong way round... SPAA Plt/3 now lasts untill 2020, while SPAA Plt/2 goes to history in 2007...
-122 Rakh 89 now has double the ammunition as it should as the vehicle has 2 salvos, 1 ready to fire and second one carried by the vehicle itself and changed quickly by a hydraulic reload device
-Off-map AMOS ROF from 12->15
-new pictures: ITO 2005 (better one), Rann-Ohj 06, MLRS with ATACMS, Super Puma, AB206, AT-4, Rakh 89 platoon)
-added some 40 text files

New version released when enough testing and bug hunting is done.

EDIT:
-Landsverk Anti II icon changed to appropriate one
-Added 7.62 RK +Optics -weapon (represents RK 62 and 95 models with added optical equipment) - main users being Urban Jaegers, some later Paratroopers and Special Jaegers (other troops also use extra optics, but they are dispersed so that in section 1 guy may have extra optics, so the original iron sight weapon is more appropriate here!)
-"reserve company" (representing all those ad-hoc units like Artillery Bn's "torjuntaosasto" etc.) organization changed (HMGs removed prior to NSV)

Zip

[Warhero]

^^ Hey Zipuli, but how about brigade generals...

Sorry, this is not SP3!

[LonelyRider]

Good work there Zipuli!

Hey do the AI know how to use this also or is it just for human play?

One thing you can fix is the icon for the Landsverk AA tank it still uses in your version the US wolverine TD icon when in the official 3.5 version it has its own neat icon number 2582.
Your LBM for the landsverk however is correct while in the official 3.5 version it uses some strange picture which is not Landsverk Anti !

Heh maybe the devs should change the unit LBM picture for the next patch to use the picture you have for it?

[Companion]

I had a peak to see what you had done because it seems every Finn interested in SP has had a hand in modifying the MBT and WW2 Finn OOBs at one time or another. I'm starting to think it's a national pastime

I think I saw a moderator in steelbeasts forum asking Finnish people the secret behind the commercial success of the armor simulation (SB Pro PE) in Finland.

So yes, I think every Finnish is a warrior and every game connected to warfare is a national pastime.


Off-topic: Zipuli, I get mauled by godlike RPGs invisible and safe in buildings almost every time I pass that cursed town in one of your SB scens: section attack.
Am I supposed to blast my way and put every townspeople into grief? Gah, those truly divine RPGs can even penetrate LEO2A4s frontally.


- Comp

[Koh]

I must say, this is quite impressive. You've clearly put a lot of work in this and as far as I can tell the formations are way more accurate than in the standard OOB. I was thinking of doing one of these myself so I wouldn't have to change things manually every time I create a scenario for myself to enjoy, but with this I don't have to. Just a few questions and suggestions for the hopefully upcoming new version:

- Special Jaegers are classed as commandos, which is of course accurate, but given how they are also para trained would paratroops be a more appropriate classification? I mean as far as I know, commandos don't get the "less casualties while paradropping" bonus. And the commandos bonus for passing difficult terrain is, from what I've experienced, really not that useful.

- The infantry and jaeger (90, not 05) formations have radios way too often. The only radios they have are the FO radios and a few others in a company. Now I keep seeing radios on individual squads way too often. Is this a balancing issue?

- 95 S 58-61M platoons should actually have four apilas patrols. And speaking of APILAS patrols, the amount of APILAS and KES seem to be reversed. Shouldn't they be carrying 3 APILAS and 6 KES? Again, this seems to be a balancing issue as 6 HEAT seems to be the standard load for anti tank patrols, but wouldn't the KES rounds compensate for this?

- Also on the topic of 95 S 58-61M, I read that you are planning on adding laser range finders for 95 S 58-61Ms. However even if they would be issued those, it would be one per platoon. Both mustis having them would be somewhat wrong. But then again, most of the possible target areas would probably be pre-sighted before the battle so that wouldn't actually be so wrong.

- Infantry and Infantry Bn AT Companies lack their AAMGs. Infantry company has two, AT Company three. Adding them shouldn't upset the balance too much and would also give them some of the much needed close range anti air defence.

And as a final note, I really enjoyed the scenarios you made for this OOB. The terrain and usage of troops was amongst the most realistic ones I've seen in scenarios involving Finland.

And Jaeger Business really, really reminded me an awful lot of an attack excercise we did in the army. My money is on you based this on something you yourself did once.

Looking forward for the next version
- Koh