OA vs Shields

Taera · #1 December 26th, 2003, 05:20 AM

Dont wanna hijack the thread... about OA vs Shields issue, the main point is that there is a Shield Depleter and Shield Distruptor, when there is no such thing to counter armor. Besides, shields take up supplies to regenerate - armor only takes up repair, and thats not a problem in a solid fleet.

oleg · #2 December 26th, 2003, 05:22 AM

shard cannon ? engine killers ?

Taera · #3 December 26th, 2003, 05:42 AM

shard cannons hurt. engine killes... get some shields, whoever goes in with OA only? ^_^

Fyron · #4 December 26th, 2003, 05:43 AM

The point is that you don't get a chance for the regeneration to occur in most situations...

Fyron · #5 December 26th, 2003, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by Puke:
yes, high level phased shields might give a bit more strength than organic armor, but when you can have twice as many ships with the organics... with high tech levels you can have your cake and eat it too, but starting with lower levels or when rushed for construction, you have to prioritize.

I did say higher level shields, not lower level.

OA III: 5 hp/kT
PSG V: 10.375 hp/kT (don't forget the structure of the comp itself)

Twice as much raw defensive strength.

Shield Disruptors are at best equal in strength to Shield Depleters (they both take out roughly the same amount of shield points, and Shield Regenerators are a joke for most uses).

Puke · #6 December 26th, 2003, 07:02 AM

except in some mods, shield regenerators are a total joke. pre-regeneration helped alot for OA, but i believe that it has been patched out.

here are the advantages that i see for each option:

advantages to org. armor: effective against mines, effective for ramming (ramming sats can be ALOT easier than shooting them down), self repairing, can potentially allow you to build ships in half the time, doubling both your hitpoints AND firepower, invulnerable to shield killing weapons, less effected by TDB.

advantages to shields: twice as many hit points, protects against engine killers, protects against boarding parties, protects against shard cannons, no need for repairs if shields are not breached

Fyron · #7 December 26th, 2003, 09:12 AM

Keep in mind you still have to be able to pay for and support those ships...

Atrocities · #8 December 26th, 2003, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Keep in mind you still have to be able to pay for and support those ships...

An excellent point as always. They will do you no good in mothball.

Asmala · #9 December 26th, 2003, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I did say higher level shields, not lower level.

OA III: 5 hp/kT
PSG V: 10.375 hp/kT (don't forget the structure of the comp itself)

Twice as much raw defensive strength.

Shields aren't so good those numbers would indicate. First there is the cost issue, PSG V costs 800 minerals when OA III costs 130 organics. The cost difference is remarkable, especially when you can get most of time surplus of organics.

If you use TDB against PSG V component's actual hit points are 375/4+40=134 -> 134/40=3.3 hp/kT which is less than OA III's 5 hp/kT. You can get same kind of result, though not so good, by using SD and a normal weapon.

Fyron · #10 December 26th, 2003, 09:57 AM

Except that the shields are actually still stronger than OA with a SD...

Now if you can guarantee that 2 SD will always hit...

Also, TDB is a racial weapon, so not a good solution.

The cost of shields is not that significant in the long run.

[ December 26, 2003, 07:59: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]