Weird Affliction

vfb · #1 March 29th, 2007, 06:25 AM

I'll accept the chest wound, and of course the never-healing wound, but can anyone explain how my Wrym is limping? I'm trying to develop a mental picture of a gigantic two-headed serpent ... limping.

He seemed to get the limp without even getting hit by anything, he was just charging across the battlefield. Next thing you know, I bet he's going to get an ingrown toenail.

Edi · #2 March 29th, 2007, 06:45 AM

Permanently sprained slithering muscles?

Sombre · #3 March 29th, 2007, 07:28 AM

In a sort of unrelated note I just got my god not only killed, but struck with 4 afflictions through no fault of my own. A had a large army attacking my enemy on the border of my lands and I decided my god would fly over to join in the attack and reduce my losses. Unfortunately my enemy attacked me with about 15 cruddy slingers and militia led by some low cost commander that turn, which caused my large and powerful army to stay put in my province instead of attacking. Meanwhile my god flew over into the province on his own and got his face kicked off by a medium sized army they'd moved in to protect it.

Highly annoying. I'm now wondering if in MP people regularly attack with say, a single scout, just to cause a 50% chance of preventing the opponent attacking you on your border.

Nick_K · #4 March 29th, 2007, 08:14 AM

It's not supposed to be 50%. IIRC it's based on the relative sizes of the armies

Sombre · #5 March 29th, 2007, 09:29 AM

That makes much more sense.

I must have been damn unlucky to get beaten to the punch by a handful of slingers then. I had like 200 units in my army.

TirAsleen · #6 March 29th, 2007, 10:02 AM

low hp and stats pretender?

vfb · #7 March 29th, 2007, 10:34 AM

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Nick_K said:
It's not supposed to be 50%. IIRC it's based on the relative sizes of the armies

According to the manual (p68) it's based on both the relative sizes of the armies and the terrain. I don't know any of the details, like whether army size just determines whether the two armies just completely miss each other, or which terrain in which province causes earlier arrival.

Sombre, you are right, there is huge potential for abuse here if it's not handled properly. If you've got 100 slingers in your castle and you can prevent an invasion by sending them at a massive neighboring army 5 at a time each turn, well, that sounds abusive to me.

Hellboy · #8 March 29th, 2007, 11:26 AM

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vfb said:

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Nick_K said:
It's not supposed to be 50%. IIRC it's based on the relative sizes of the armies

According to the manual (p68) it's based on both the relative sizes of the armies and the terrain. I don't know any of the details, like whether army size just determines whether the two armies just completely miss each other, or which terrain in which province causes earlier arrival.

Sombre, you are right, there is huge potential for abuse here if it's not handled properly. If you've got 100 slingers in your castle and you can prevent an invasion by sending them at a massive neighboring army 5 at a time each turn, well, that sounds abusive to me.

There's been other threads on this, but I simply don't trust the manual on this one. For example, the manual says it's possible to miss each other and I've just never, ever seen that happen in play (and I've heard veterans say the same thing).

I like to play T'ien Ch'i a lot in MP, and I encounter this circumstance often w/ the flying CMs. Often (and especially for a crucial attack) I will take an extra turn to move my CMs into the same province as my attacking army just to be 100% sure that they won't get caught in a separate attack (which would generally be sure death). On the same reasoning I would be all the more cautious with my pretender.

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Sombre said:
That makes much more sense.

I must have been damn unlucky to get beaten to the punch by a handful of slingers then. I had like 200 units in my army.

That does make more sense, but I don't think that that is the way the game is implemented, and I don't think you were particularly unlucky w/r to the game mechanics, as implemented. I've just seen it happen so many times, that I've learned to avoid the risk.

One thing I noticed is that it really seems to me that any army leaving out of a fort is far more likely to get caught in the province with the fort, no matter how tiny the attacking force is.

Tyrant · #9 March 29th, 2007, 12:24 PM

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Hellboy said:
There's been other threads on this, but I simply don't trust the manual on this one. For example, the manual says it's possible to miss each other and I've just never, ever seen that happen in play (and I've heard veterans say the same thing).

I have definatly seen this.

It would be nice to know the math, but IMO it's good. Pinning attacks sometimes work and sometimes don't, and that's the way it should be. I did not know terrain was a factor. I wonder which way though.

MaxWilson · #10 March 29th, 2007, 12:29 PM

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For example, the manual says it's possible to miss each other and I've just never, ever seen that happen in play (and I've heard veterans say the same thing).

I didn't realize it was possible to miss each other, but this explains some weird things I've seen in a recent game, where I *thought* I had all the angles covered and the enemy army still showed up where I thought it wouldn't. I had assumed I just made a mistake but maybe the armies missed each other.

-Max