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		Well KO I think you should also remove teh events that give 30-50 unrest, halving income from the early turns till like turn 3-5 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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The bad things are comboes of bad events, like 120 unrest in capitol on turn2... that can really make you lose a game. I don't think Luck scale is good enough at preventing bad events, especially if you expand. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		I like the unpredicatability of bad events.   It is one of the aspects that seperates Dom3 from the pack.   I may hate getting one, but there is always "Start New game". 
 
I also like that it can happen with any luck scale, but is much more probable with bad luck.  There should be a penalty for choosing bad luck scales, just as there are penalties for sloth, death, etc.  Otherwise bad luck would just be free points.  Additionally, the possibility of getting a bad event with positive luck scales mimics life in  some small peverse manner. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				"Having waited for hundreds of years, Skögu was finally approached by his former  
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 Oh that is a beautiful and nasty event.  Too cool.     
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		A ruinous event hitting your capital early in SP is no big deal as you can restart.  
 
In MP, it kills a lot of time spent organising the game and the player then has to sign up and go through the fuss for a new one. Also, it potentially unbalances the game as neighbours get additional territory to move into and the first one to the wrecked player probably an early second capital. Banning events on the first 5 turns to prevent this sort of thing could be a solution as players should have a few provinces to survive a crisis by then. But I don't know it's big enough a problem to be worth the effort. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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				A ruinous event hitting your capital early in SP is no big deal as you can restart.  
 
In MP, it kills a lot of time spent organising the game and the player then has to sign up and go through the fuss for a new one. Also, it potentially unbalances the game as neighbours get additional territory to move into and the first one to the wrecked player probably an early second capital. Banning events on the first 5 turns to prevent this sort of thing could be a solution as players should have a few provinces to survive a crisis by then. But I don't know it's big enough a problem to be worth the effort. 
			
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 This insanely nerfs GOOD luck scales.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		It nerfs good scales, but in my view not "insanely", or even to a large degree. Whatever, I doubt anyone's going to alter the game so it happens so it's really just pointless conjecture. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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		90% of people in MP choose misfortune over luck. So preventing bad event in the first 3-5 turns is already beating dead horses. One unrest reduces your income in the first year by about 10%, still much better than taking turmoil/luck.  
 
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				Not true honey.  Losing a lab first turn, with an imprisoned pretender, and no mage build is a disaster, especially for nations that *have* to build commanders that require the lab. 
 
I really think that some events should not occur in the first 3 turns.  Sure, I realize that people take bad luck - but... you go to a lot of effort to setup a game - and then someone drops due to getting truly horrendous random events in the first turn. 
 
There are just 5-6 events that shouldn't happen in the first year. 
			
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				Not true honey.  Losing a lab first turn, with an imprisoned pretender, and no mage build is a disaster, especially for nations that *have* to build commanders that require the lab. 
 
I really think that some events should not occur in the first 3 turns.  Sure, I realize that people take bad luck - but... you go to a lot of effort to setup a game - and then someone drops due to getting truly horrendous random events in the first turn. 
 
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 I think what's needed is most bad events shouldn't be able to happen in the capital, period.  
			
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 Misfortune is already good for points, basically every guide you read out there points to misfortune. I do not see how removing one thing misfortune can possibly harm will help balance the game, or do anything else useful.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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