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Nightfall · #91 September 26th, 2010, 11:16 PM

Out of interest Valerious...

As admin, how much of what is happening in the games your running do you see / pay attention to?

Just curious...

Valerius · #92 September 27th, 2010, 04:22 PM

Normally I just see the graphs on the llamaserver and whatever is posted in this thread. If I need to sub a player I can change the nation's e-mail address to my own in order to see if the position is viable but outside of that I have less information than anyone in the game.

I check every couple of days to make sure we don't have anyone staling but other than that I just respond to requests as they arrive.

MartinTrouman · #93 September 29th, 2010, 12:35 PM

Hello all

It seem that the cause is lost for Vanheim. Pangaera is sieging the Vanheim capital with sufficient numbers.

I had 2 forts next to each other as I thought that I would be able to break sieges between the 2. My final atemp to relive my 2nd fort (with a good sized army) was stalled when pangaera attacked with 20 centaur archers and a standard commander. To me it had clear mark of a stalling move.. but I sense that it a tough case to argue.

Anyway... I think my complete neglection of research put me in a bad position.

I'll check in on the next turns.. but don't think there is much to do. What are the procedures to turn control over to AI?

Sephorin · #94 September 29th, 2010, 03:28 PM

Hello, Martin T. I'm sorry if the centaur archer attack looked like a stalling move. That actually didn't occur to me because I didn't think there was any way you would try to attack. I was trying to gauge the power of your capital army and it's vulnerability to archery. I also recall it being 33 centaur archers instead of 20, but perhaps I misremember.

Valerius, for the future, would my move be seen as against the spirit of the rules?

As for your position, I don't know if I'd give up just yet! Of course, if it's no longer any fun for you, it's certainly understandable that you'd want to stop.

Valerius · #95 September 29th, 2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinTrouman

I'll check in on the next turns.. but don't think there is much to do. What are the procedures to turn control over to AI?

If there's really nothing you can do you can go to Options --> Become computer controlled. But if you have even just a few resources left please keep fighting. You'll certainly do a better job than the AI will and the turns won't take long. Ideally everyone plays until they are completely eliminated.

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Originally Posted by MartinTrouman

Anyway... I think my complete neglection of research put me in a bad position.

Research is crucial and Van is horrible at it (aside from the cap only dwarves) so you basically need indie mages in order to get any kind of cost effective research (or use gems to forge research boosters - but I hate wasting them on that except for some lightless lanterns).

Attempting to pin an army in place with a small force is essentially an exploit of the game mechanics. You can imagine how frustrating the game would become if everyone used that tactic. Now there's a gray area here in that something can look like a blocking move but not be intended to be one (as Sephorin mentioned above). So it comes down to intent: if you know you're trying to block movement you're violating the spirit of the game. And my experience has been that people don't want to do that and just asking them not to is all that's required.

Also, credit to both of you in handling this discussion well as these are the kinds of things that can cause hard feelings.

Valerius · #96 September 29th, 2010, 04:33 PM

In other news, I just realized it's time to change to 48 hour hosting. This will also postpone the current hosting time by 24 hours.

Sephorin · #97 September 29th, 2010, 04:40 PM

I see. Well, if we're judging by intent alone, I'm definitely innocent.

But the more I think about it, the more I can see how what I did could certainly look like a stall tactic. Valerius, if you think that there's a penalty that I could take for my action, I would happily accept it. I want to avoid any hard feelings, if that's possible.

Valerius · #98 September 29th, 2010, 04:51 PM

I don't think there's a need for a penalty and you two have handled the discussion well so I don't think there will be hard feelings.

Nightfall · #99 September 29th, 2010, 05:12 PM

I should probably note here that I have apoligised to mockingbird privately for allowing my frustration to get the better of me.

While we are at war in the game, I don't harbour any ill feelings towards him.

Groundworm · #**100** September 29th, 2010, 06:30 PM

It's difficult to get attacked and be on the losing side, or to be forced/manipulating into starting a war you know you can't win, and handle that situation gracefully. Having been there numerous times, I'm quite familiar with it. That being said, the important thing to remember is that even when you're getting completely stomped and are well on your way to losing, there is probably a lesson or two you can learn to play a better game next time.

And, as has been said, congratulations to everyone for handling some dicey diplomatic situations well.