winSPWW2 v4.0 -- 3 CORRECTED OOBs

[Sgt_Walrus]

Hi Andy

I have to disagree.
The confusion started when I started to get a bunch of players reporting security error messages and no-one seemed to have an answer for the issue, neither at the Blitz nor at Shrapnel.

I agree that my general confusion as to what was happening didn't help you guys when you were trying to help me / us out...but your assumptions were as wrong as mine...therefore we both contributed to that being an over long and pointless exercize.

In the end, you two had the information I needed all along. I was in the dark from moment one.
That's life I guess...and I am happy to cop half the blame (and Imp and Fjun I guess).

As for the link to the published work around for the issue.
I think the link is the wrong one as it doesn't mention the quote you gave.
Anyway, it is buried in the TO&E page and in that thread there is only this mention of a resolution to what seemed to be being discussed as a PBEM Campaign problem. In fact, the first line of your quote below (post #11) is completely incorrect and if I had read it before my initial post...I would have been none the wiser and probably more confused.


Stand-alone PBEM games (in simple mode security) - system is working OK.
PBEM campaigns - the checksums are not being passed. Bug confirmed .
So for PBEM campaigns, ignore the message for now till we fix it.

When you say..

The highlighted part makes it seem as if you were having a similar brand-new and unreported OOB checksum problem with secure mode.

In reference to me saying..

Games set up using Basic Security can be played by just ignoring the messages...but if the players wish to use Full Security...then they are stuck.

..I completely understand what you are saying. However, that was an assumption on your part as I know for a fact that I was just referring to the generally known fact that Basic Security just messages you with error, whereas Full Security will actually stop the game. A great example of the fact that language will often be the greatest barrier to communication. Sad but true.

So...instead of trying to absolve yourselves from all blame as to who has wasted who's time (which this thread seems to have become now), how about looking from a fresh angle?

A community of experienced SP PBEM players who do not normally visit the Shrapnel site experienced a sudden issue with their games after patching up. The problems occurred slowly (over days) and sporadically (thus the confusion as to the exact nature of the problem) as everyone was playing PBEM games, rather than against the AI.

After failing to get a resolution in the Blitz community, we came to you.
Looking in the forums did not give any answers (I never found the thread you have previously mentioned) and there were no stickies mention the issue.

So...we / I did the obvious thing and made a new post asking 'anyone' if they had seen a similar issue.
What else were we supposed to do?

If you, as Fred suggested, had a Sticky called "Known Issues with latest patches", that would have been the first place I would have looked.

For PBEM players (the entire Blitz Steel panthers community) a security error is a big deal. Thus our attempts to resolve it.

I am happy to hear it is sorted (as i said earlier) and I appreciate your excellent work over a long time with this, my favorite game...as I have often said before.
I never came here to harass, or waste time or be a pain...even though Don might think that...I came here to help my friends at the Blitz, that's all. I certainly didn't come here to be treated like a dunce.

Anyway. The correct information has come to light. That make me happy.
Thank you for your help with everything

Jason