winSPWW2 v4.0 -- 3 CORRECTED OOBs

[DRG]

What you said was this.....

Originally Posted by Sgt_Walrus

Games set up using Basic Security can be played by just ignoring the messages...but if the players wish to use Full Security...then they are stuck.
Regards
Jason - Sgt. Walrus

Given we have already posted info on the forum about the basic security OOB error messages that were to be ignored what else were we to "assume" but these were secure games giving the error messages BECAUSE you said "Basic Security can be played by just ignoring the messages" which is exactly what we said when we told people about the known basic security message error

We all just spent hours of wasted effort. You testing something we've already reported as a known error that should be ignored and us re-testing secure games.

So NO you didn't make it clear these were basic security games

Don

[Sgt_Walrus]

Don

When I first made a post on this issue, I had looked around the forum and had not seen anything about the Basic security error in v4.0.
My intent here was not to waste your time, nor Andy's, nor Fred or Imps...and especially not mine.

If I had seen something that looked like the information I needed I wouldn't have made my initial post.

we have already posted info on the forum about the basic security OOB error messages that were to be ignored

Where is this thread? Nowhere obvious, that's for sure. It wasn't just me that missed this, both Imp and Fjun use this forum and neither of them was aware that there was a security issue already discussed / posted here..

Also...I did not know that the issue we were having was a security issue. I was initially under the impression it was to do with the OOB fix, and wasn't sure about anything really as I was getting conflicting info...some games working others not etc.
It is obvious now that the confusion was in part that some games were Full security, and others basic. However, some games were stock v4.0 and others +OOB fix. There was some confusion in general.
From Andy's post #16, all the conversation was about OOB patches , which was why we all focused our testing in that direction

I rarely visit this forum now, as opposed to when I used to game test here, as I am very busy. I don't come here and make annoying posts about arcane penetration issues or rare unit problems. I play this game almost exclusively PBEM, I give my limited spare time to moderate a forum where we play you game. I endorse your game to everyone who is interested. My posts here are intended to help with communication between the players of this game, and you guys, the hard working designers.
Yet I feel like I am being berated for being a time wasting idiot who has not got a clue.

Perhaps when I asked this question in my initial post..


Has anyone else had any OOB error / security type error messages when playing PBEM with v4.0 + OOB fix?

...one of you guys might have pointed me at the thread to do with this known v4.0 security issue. Your assumptions that I must have read X thread relating to issue Y didn't really help with us all wasting our time either.

Your first post (#8) was just full of insinuations that our problems were just due to incompetence and lack of communication between players at the Blitz.
I did everything I could from that point to test with other Blitz PBEMers and pass on anything useful under the mistaken impression that I was being helpful and constructive...my bad.

My unfortunate comment..

but if the players wish to use Full Security...then they are stuck.

...was not due to testing but to an assumption that if an error came up in Basic security, then the same problem would cause Full security would stop the game. A bad assumption when the actual problem was with Basic security itself. I wish I had said "but I have not tested a full security game yet to see if I get an error"...perhaps that would have save our time.
My bad.

Just FYI. When players at the Blitz come up with an OOB issue, or game play thing they would liked looked at...I always post up to say that they should get in touch with you guys here and to make sure you have saved games file and good data so you guys don't have your time wasted.

I quite often get answers back that they don't like to post here at Shrapnel as they just end up copping a dose of attitude and are generally treated with less than politeness for their efforts at helping bring an issue to your attention.
I have always assumed that this was an over-reaction...but now, I would have to say that I agree.

All I have done is try my best to help out our small community.
I feel like I have been publicly treated like an idiot and general time waster....thanks for that.

I will always endorse this game to anyone as the best ww2 tactical game going IMO, and I will forever be grateful for the massive combined efforts of you and Andy to keep this game alive and growing for so very long, but I have to say that I will be very hesitant about pointing anyone with a query or question to this forum in the future.
That is a real shame.

Jason

[2ndLt_Fjun]

Originally Posted by DRG

We all just spent hours of wasted effort. You testing something we've already reported as a known error that should be ignored and us re-testing secure games.

Hi Don. An idea to avoid these things and save work and time for everyone could be to have a sticky "Known issues"-thread.