MP: Asia Twist - Wraithlord Wins!

[WraithLord]

@DonC, I like you new avatar

Now while I can surely sympathize with Archae's feelings I think the following facts need to be taken into considerations:
A. My military prowess far outclassed his. I have taken a look at his last turns and he had nothing even remotely close to what I had. I won't go into boring details. Anyone who wants to verify that is more than welcome as I can send both his and my turns.

B. I had, as of last turn, an 8th VP breached (one more than victory condition required) with nothing that Van or Caelum could throw at me that could prevent its falling to me.

C. Van has been keeping quiet about the huge stockpiles of gems he received. I got nothing even remotely close from my allies. He got, and this is just from the little I glimpsed in the few random turns I got, a staggering amount of 1366 gems!!! Enough to cast GoH and another global I don't recall it's name. Of course he also get items in addition. Now, as he likes to phrase it, is this not "throwing" the game?- What did I do so wrong to be hated so much(in the game) that the other nations would give all they have in order for Van to win???

I ask w/a honesty, how is that so different from what Arist. did?- He couldn't help by sending huge stockpiles of gems so he chose to burn ground and make a sacrifice for his (in-game) friend to win against, what I only now realize, what was an alliance of powerful gem rich nations.

Even with all those gems my all game long advantage was too big for Archae. to close the gap. He lost the game to a superior nation. I won the game after months of hard work and dedication and although I can relate to Archae's frustration I think he needs to just accept the fact that he lost and move over. I went through all the motions and tedious, meticulous and hard work that a player must go in order to get far in a dominions game - and I won at the end. It's extremely negative to go around disputing that after you lost.

Archae, I call upon you for all to witness. Get off that high tree you climbed. I'd invite over for a cup of beer to talk things over but alas that's not possible. We're both veterans avid fans of dominions, no reason we should be feeling so bad about each other.

[Calahan]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

@DonC, I like you new avatar

I haven't yet forgiven DonC for cruelly abandoning Butters the way he did

[archaeolept]

Originally Posted by WraithLord

@DonC, I like you new avatar

Now while I can surely sympathize with Archae's feelings I think the following facts need to be taken into considerations:
A. My military prowess far outclassed his. I have taken a look at his last turns and he had nothing even remotely close to what I had. I won't go into boring details. Anyone who wants to verify that is more than welcome as I can send both his and my turns.

This is not the case according to independent analysis by other vets. Also, quite irrelevant, though telling that you want to assert this. It is amusing to see you assert this counterfactual now.

B. I had, as of last turn, an 8th VP breached (one more than victory condition required) with nothing that Van or Caelum could throw at me that could prevent its falling to me.

You had already broken the walls twice and not taken it. I certainly could have stopped you. Also, you got two of your VP's from Aristander, not one.

C. Van has been keeping quiet about the huge stockpiles of gems he received. I got nothing even remotely close from my allies. He got, and this is just from the little I glimpsed in the few random turns I got, a staggering amount of 1366 gems!!! Enough to cast GoH and another global I don't recall it's name. Of course he also get items in addition. Now, as he likes to phrase it, is this not "throwing" the game?- What did I do so wrong to be hated so much(in the game) that the other nations would give all they have in order for Van to win???

my allies were sending me gems in order to help prevent your win, yes. That is common practice, as opposed to throwing your vps, which I have never seen in a vet game of Dominions. Ever. It is clearly not throwing the game as I had not won, and it would have been a hard fight. If Pangaia had vacated his two vps, and cast crumble on his castles while I teleported in w/ a couple units in a concerted action, then you could say that he was trying to throw the game.

The gems functioned to balance out my heavy losses in protecting caelum's vps and support the war.

I ask w/a honesty, how is that so different from what Arist. did?- He couldn't help by sending huge stockpiles of gems so he chose to burn ground and make a sacrifice for his (in-game) friend to win against, what I only now realize, what was an alliance of powerful gem rich nations.

Even with all those gems my all game long advantage was too big for Archae. to close the gap. He lost the game to a superior nation.

No I did not. What is the point of making these counterfactual assertions? If you had wished you could have demonstrated your power through the normal means of doing so. You clearly were adverse to taking that route, the one of actual conflict and resolution.

I won the game after months of hard work and dedication and although I can relate to Archae's frustration I think he needs to just accept the fact that he lost and move over. I went through all the motions and tedious, meticulous and hard work that a player must go in order to get far in a dominions game - and I won at the end. It's extremely negative to go around disputing that after you lost.

I can accept the fact that collaborating in having a game thrown is acceptable to you.

Now, I understand that after Balbarian's official warning, you are likely trying to get me banned through incitement. So be it. I will respond clearly to any innaccurate claims made by you, while endeavouring to remain within the official forum guidelines.

[WraithLord]

Your claims are untrue, they are subject to your perspective but I'm oh so tired of this. You just go on and on and on. I admit defeat in the posting arena. I can't compete with your pace. I won the game fair against all that you and your allies could throw at me. Yes, it's really a fair competition when you're getting 1.5K gems of help and what not.

Now, this is not the first time I extend my hand to you in good will and ask you the accept your loss like a man and get over it. I'm not alone in this as quite a number of players have expressed similar sentiments upon witnessing all the fuss you are making.
This is however the last time you reject my invitation to get over it. I'm done talking to you. I don't want to play with you anymore. ever. I don't want to ever talk to you as well. Have a nice life and please keep out of mine.
I also ask you one last time to stop throwing slander at me wherever you can. This is not befitting of civil conduct and certainly not an accepted practice on these friendly forums.

[archaeolept]

Slander is a very serious accusation; it depends upon the facts being asserted being untrue, and on the accuser knowing them to be untrue. Could you specifically state what statements by me you consider slander? As, I cannot recall making any untrue assertions. This is the second time you have accused me of slander, also without any specifics. Which claims of mine specifically are you asserting to be slanderous?

In fact, asserting slander when you are aware that the accusations are basically correct is itself slander.

As to the opinions of a few forum denizens who have little knowledge of the situation, I don't see how that's especially relevant.

And as to the gems, I remain somewhat perplexed - on the one hand, you assert that you had such military preponderance that the outcome was moot anyways; on the other, you assert that my having received gems to support my fight against you was ... what? the game being thrown? Sending gems and items is pretty common practice, and certainly not one you refused either.

I said I was willing to try for a rematch in that new game of yours. It was you that rejected the offer.

like a man

Lol

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If Pangaia had vacated his two vps, and cast crumble on his own castles while I teleported in w/ a couple units in a concerted action, then you could say that he was trying to throw the game

[zlefin]

wriathlord, from what i have seen and heard, i have serious reservations about the manner of your win. To my feeling, the issue of proximateness is relevant, helping someone in general is one thing. Literally giving the win condition (from your own supply rather than helping them take it from enemies) is another.
However i haven't heard your case in as much detail and length as I would like.

I propose this solution to this dispute: you both agree on a selection of 3 veteran players to be a tribunal and decide this matter. Agreeing to binding arbitration would allow this to be settled, as sedttling between yourselves is obviously not working.
Zlefin

[WraithLord]

zlefin, I have presented my side many times. Can you even suspect how tired I am of this ongoing tirade? The bottom lime is that I won the game. I have broken no house rules or any other rules for that matter. I took all the VPs I needed for victory and didn't threaten/bribe/presaude anyone to do anything. I had the strongest army in the block. I won. period.

I absolutely object to your tribunal suggestion and am deeply offended by it. You're basically implying that I should be treated like a criminal. This is preposterous.

ok. If this onslaught on me from the making of Arcahe doesn't come to an end one way or another I shall be saying my ultimate goodbyes to these forums.
I have a life and no game or community, however fun it may be is worth going through all that abuse.

[WraithLord]

Thank you Squirrelloid. I appreciate your candor and frankly am refreshed for hearing something different after all that spam aimed at me these last few days.