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Old December 3rd, 2011, 08:47 PM
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Yes this makes sense to use air strikes to hunt and destroy Arty!.
That is what the Allies(U.S.) did during the Gulf War(1990). Once they had air superiority they went hunting for Iraqi Arty and CB'd with MLRS & Air strikes. The Allies were afraid of the Iraqi arty because they had base bleed ammunition and smooth bore arty with longer range capability. One of the reason's Gerald Bull was assassinated in 1990 for his work on an Iraqi Supergun.

A CB function for air strike formations a player/AI might have in SPMBT would have to occur automatically and would have to pass Air defence interception first. Unless a player/AI had air superiority than they should not be allowed to perform an Air Strike CB mission. To complete a CB mission you would have to intercept all the other sides CAP mission and strategic Air defence.

Maybe their could be 25% dice roll to see if shorter range off-map guns could complete a CB on a longer range guns?

I think Andy & Don would say there are to many what if's and it would not be in the scope/spirit of the original game.
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The Allies were afraid of the Iraqi arty because they had base bleed ammunition and smooth bore arty with longer range capability. One of the reason's Gerald Bull was assassinated in 1990 for his work on an Iraqi Supergun.
Actually those guns were not smoothbores,a dicey proposition for long range artillery, they engage the rifling via small finns in a fashion reminiscent of some mid 19th century rifled guns designs. This made possible to design much more aerodynamic shells.Also "brute force" measures such as more powerful charge and longer barrel were employed.
I am not sure but I suspect that all the talks about coalitions fearing iraqi guns was more some analyst second guessing the matter rather reality. Absent good supporting C&C and reconnaissance they would be unable to exploit the extra range in any seriously effective fashion.

In any case it shoud be noted that US artillery being outranged in terms of pure gun performance is not exactly a novelty.Even the new M777 is still outranged by even such a common and antique weapon as the 130mm M46.

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In any case it shoud be noted that US artillery being outranged in terms of pure gun performance is not exactly a novelty.Even the new M777 is still outranged by even such a common and antique weapon as the 130mm M46.
I didn't realize they had that kind of range! What kind of CEP do they have at those ranges?
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I didn't realize they had that kind of range! What kind of CEP do they have at those ranges?
Supposedly it had good accuracy (though it should be noted that with artillery one should think both in terms accuracy and dispersion), it was expected to perform CB missions after all, but I cannot find any source expressing it in terms of probable error.

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Mine was an observation on a couple of issues, not on the game mechanics.
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