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Old December 18th, 2011, 09:07 PM

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Default Re: Czech OOB 5.5

Further commenst - more or less useful...

350 Maxim HMG [2] - better picture IMHO is 29409 (current one shows unknown soldiers, rather not Czechoslovak ones, and obscured MG).

368 M52 85mm ATG - proper pic is 25009 (in Austrian service). Original Czech designation was vz.52.

373 SPG-82 RCL - there is no sign in Czech Internet, especially here http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/36231 that they were ever used in Czechoslovakia. Knowing the Czech practice, it would be strange to buy it, while developing their own T21 Tarasnice. In any case, it was accepted for the Soviet Army only in 1950 (http://weapon.at.ua/load/220-1-0-847 and others), so it couldn't be used earlier here. It would need change or removal of formation #83 (it's the only unit in this class). I'll attach later a proper picture for SPG-82.

376, 377 M59 RCL HE, M59 Recoilless - much better picture is of the Soviet B-11 11068 or 29397 (it was always supported on two big wheels). Or I'll attach a proper picture.

(BTW: picture 11068 doesn't look much like 107 mm B-11, much better is 29397, currently unused - for all countries, including Russia)

378 RPG-2 Team - there is no sign in Czech Internet, especially here http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/36231 that they were ever used in Czechoslovakia. They developed own P-27 instead.

380 57mm AA-Gun - like comments on unit #89 (first date 1/50 is doubtful, since a production in the USSR started that year. I've only found info on rearming one unit in 1960. It isn't mentioned among AA armament on Czech MoD page now. Maybe better name would be 57mm S60 AA-Gun or 57mm S-60 AAG?)

389 etc Para scouts:
Like comments on para sections. According to one comment on http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/11593 , early paratroops used
StG-44 (#12, pic 23062). I believe, that if not StG-44, then scouts were rather given PPS-43 or MP-40 SMG rather than rifles. From early 50s, paratroops were for sure given Sa 26 SMG (lbm 37103). There are no signs of RPG-2 usage (maybe Panzerfaust instead?). There are also no signs of AK-47 usage in Czechoslovakia.

401 BA-64 - according to a Russian book on GAZ-67-based vehicles, only 10 BA-64 were used in the Czechoslovak corps during the war (and no mention on further sales). No mention on this car also here http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/36231

It might be replaced with Humber LRC III with similar icon and specs. Armed as built in Bren and Boys AT-rifle, equipped with a reloadable smoke mortar, available from 1/46 to some 1950s, speed 97 km/h. I'll attach a picture (same unit I've proposed for Egypt).

402 OT-810 - produced only since 1959. Carry was only 111, speed=20 (60 km/h - stronger engine, than SdKfz-251), armament - 7.62mm vz.59 AAMG (definitely not 12.7 mm one) (http://en.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/3...tle/CZK-OT-810 ). Top was fully armoured (icon is correct here) - unless, of course, gunner's hatch is open. Also known as OT-810 HaKo or HAKO (Hanomag Koprivnice).

Proposed unit: HKL6p or OPp3N HKL6p or HKL6p HAKL (last is unofficial name) - original German SdKfz-251 APC, used from 1/46 until about 1960 (http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/11469 ). Eg. unit 168 from Spanish oob (but carry = 110-111)

There was also used Sdkfz-250 as D-7p, but in unknown quantities (http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/18782 ).

403 ST-1 Hetzer - according to a book "in Czechoslovak army's service the Rundumfeur machine gun was deleted". Original designation's way of writing was ST-I (I doubt, if the name Hetzer was used - or is it only for easier identification?).

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Michal
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