New Strategy: Drones with Subverters !

[Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Cirvol:

unfair, and unbalanced

Unfair: Maybe.
Unbalanced: Slightly.

But just as every other stratagy you can come up with there is almost always a counter. You could very easily devise a defense to counter the Religious/Virus/Subverter combo. Granted it is probably one of the harder combos to defend against but nevertheless, it is possible.

[DarkHorse]

Originally posted by Arkcon:


If someone insists on loading sats with the subverter ... I say, let him have some ships. Try 20 1 engine no weapon escorts. Or perhaps a dreadnought, 1 engine, lots of stellar manipulators ... no supply.

If you want your best shipyard to spend 40 turns building that dread, knock yourself out! I've already won

Regardless, I only use the satellites against the AI, humans it would only work against once, maybe. The AI doesn't seem to be in any hurry to build master computers.

[DarkHorse]

Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Originally posted by Cirvol:

unfair, and unbalanced

Unfair: Maybe.
Unbalanced: Slightly.

But just as every other stratagy you can come up with there is almost always a counter. You could very easily devise a defense to counter the Religious/Virus/Subverter combo. Granted it is probably one of the harder combos to defend against but nevertheless, it is possible.

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True, there's always a way. Can't beat their ships? Steal 'em with intel. Can't get by their satellites/mines/whatever? Make your own warp points. It may take a while, but there's a way around everything.

[TerranC]

Originally posted by Cirvol:
still, you wouldn't 'need' the religous tech...

good fleet/ship training and combat sensor 3 should be good enough

and then the subverter/computer virus combo wins everything

unfair, and unbalanced

Not in the next patch (I think somebody said that already).

And how does that combo win everything? Subverters and Computer Viruses only have ranges of 5 and 6, respectively. Many powerful conventional weapons (WMG, CSM, APB) can beat them in a flash.

[Cirvol]

bah, subverters are just too damn powerful... they ain't exactly expensive to research, and they beat any other 'normal' weapon

fighters are useless in the late game due to ppb's and pd, and ship hull's and phased shields and large/heavy mount weapons are the true 'power'...

being able to hold off someone who has researched 4 times more pure research than you just cuz you have subverters is just wrong... which other special tech gives you that?

imho, phased shields should block virus and subverters... at least then you can defend

[Cirvol]

Originally posted by TerranC:

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Originally posted by Cirvol:
still, you wouldn't 'need' the religous tech...

good fleet/ship training and combat sensor 3 should be good enough

and then the subverter/computer virus combo wins everything

unfair, and unbalanced

Not in the next patch (I think somebody said that already).

And how does that combo win everything? Subverters and Computer Viruses only have ranges of 5 and 6, respectively. Many powerful conventional weapons (WMG, CSM, APB) can beat them in a flash.

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lol, conventional weapons beat them in a flash, sure, if both people set to max range...

you know as well as i do that almost all experienced players in pbw games use solar sails and so ships are fast enough to close the distance difference without a problem, killing your conventional weapon = greater range theory

[Phoenix-D]

"you know as well as i do that almost all experienced players in pbw games use solar sails and so ships are fast enough to close the distance difference without a problem, killing your conventional weapon = greater range theory"

No, it doesn't. Even if both ships are the same speed, the other player is still going to get shots in before you can close the distance (i.e. when they run up against the combat boundry).

Phoenix-D