OT: Movies You Have Seen Lately

Aloofi · #1 February 26th, 2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Wardad:

While true enough, war really is something to be feared.

When I was a kid I found a Picture History book of WWI. It was gruesome even in black and white. Bodies laying in trenches, or piled up like cord wood 100 foot from the enemies lines. Blisters from gas covering face and tongue. Starving children with vacant faces and empty stomaches begging for scraps.

I did not need hollywood films for an anti-war message.[/quote]

My dear, you are just another victim of anti-war propaganda. When I see the same pictures you saw, I don't feel "how bad war is" but "Look at what the enemy is doing to us".
There is a big diference in these two aproaches to a reality. And Hollywood is making a bunch of pussies out of us, while our enemies are raised in warrior societies chanting anti western slogans day and night.
War is not something good or bad, but I can't say the same of losing a war.
And technological superiority only go so far. They have found a way to shake our societies to the bottom, and that is targeting innocent civilians.

Aloofi · #2 February 26th, 2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by gregebowman:
But I have to disagree that Saving Private Ryan was that. I think you got the message that these soldiers fought, all too many died, for their beliefs. There wasn't any running off to Canada back in the 1940's

Oh, Saving Private Ryan was one pure anti war propaganda.
Lessons from the movie:
1- Soldiers lives are disposable to their commaders.
2- If you are brave you die
3- If you take point you die
4- If you obey your commaders orders you die
5- If you save civilians you die
6- If you help your squad mates you die
7- If you are a coward you survive
8- If you hide you survive
9- Don't ever go to war.

All of these are lies. But the worst thing is that these anti war feelings are so deep in your mind, as you have been exposed to this since you were born, that it all seem perfectly real.
I'm sure there are zillion more little details in this movie, but I haven't seen it in quite a while.

Stone Mill · #3 February 26th, 2003, 06:28 PM

Saving Private Ryan was about contradictions, and that is exactly why it is excellent.

The main question posed is "Does a humane act in a horribly heinous environment of war still have value?"

In the end- a wonderful contradiction... Ryan is "Saved" by one humane act (recovery mission)and returned to his family.

However, Capt Miller's other humane act (releasing the German Soldier) comes back to destroy him...

gregebowman · #4 February 26th, 2003, 06:45 PM

I think that why you feel Ryan was an anti-war movie was that it was too realistic. Too much blood and guts. I remember growing up and watching all those old war movies made in the 50's and 60's, and you didn't see any blood and guts. You saw a guy get shot and fall down. So I think we weren't too conditioned to seeing a realist war movie, at least as a society. Now, Hollywood has no problem showing the blood and guts, and IMO, that's why some people are thinking it's an anti-war movie. No, it's showing war as it more or less is: ugly, terrifying and not something to worship.

Atrocities · #5 February 26th, 2003, 07:55 PM

Dare Devil = B movie with B acting, and just play BAD movie. Don't waste your time or your money.

I think that now a days, the critics are being bought off. This movie is evidance of that.

Ragnarok · #6 February 26th, 2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Atrocities:
Dare Devil = B movie with B acting, and just play BAD movie. Don't waste your time or your money.

I think that now a days, the critics are being bought off. This movie is evidance of that.

You're one of the first people that I've heard rate this a bad movie. Everyone that I've talked to said it was a good movie. Not great, but good. I enjoyed it myself. One thing I don't like about it though is they took too many ideas from Spiderman. I thought I was watching Spiderman all over again at times.
The best part of Daredevil though was the previews for X-man 2. That is going to be one sweet movie.

Aloofi · #7 February 26th, 2003, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by gregebowman:
I think that why you feel Ryan was an anti-war movie was that it was too realistic. Too much blood and guts.
No, it's showing war as it more or less is: ugly, terrifying and not something to worship.

Too realistic?
Since when showing blood and guts is realism?

That blood is there just to scare the hell out of you. Most people that go to war DON'T get killed, or wounded, or anything. In real battle you DON'T see what's going on 2 meters away from your position, but in movies you see EVERYTHING that's happening at the same time in the whole battlefield. And everything happen very FAST instead of very slow, as the movies try to tell you.