OT: Rating the President

geoschmo · #1 February 5th, 2003, 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by rextorres:

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

The governments job isn't to decide who gets how much of the pie. The government's job is to stay out of the way so the pie can get bigger. GWB get's that.

Geoschmo

You know who had that very same philosophy?

Herbert Hoover.

And he was right. What's your point? Oh, I forgot. You don't have a point. You have soundbites.

Geoschmo

geoschmo · #2 February 5th, 2003, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by Askan Nightbringer:

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Originally posted by rextorres:
You know who had that very same philosophy?

Herbert Hoover.

Who was he?

But I must say about George W....when the Enron scandal broke out he was up to his eyeballs in it. How could anyone ever trust him to produce sound fiscal policy after that?

Askan

Uh no. The only thing Bush had to do with Enron was they gave some campaign donations. Enron gave loads of cash to both sides. That's one of the dirty little secrets of American politics. It's not a republican or democratic problem, it's a rot the whole process.

Clinton policies were actually much mroe favorable to Enrons way of doing business. FOr example Ken Lay was a huge supporter of the Kyoto agreement, which Bush has all but scrapped.

Who was president while Enron was doing all it's shenanigans? Not Bush.

Geoschmo

rextorres · #3 February 5th, 2003, 04:04 AM

Herbert Hoover didn't do anything during the depression, because governments role was to "stay out of the way" and he's blamed for making the depression worse.

Besides there is an assumption that "taxing the rich" is a redistribution of wealth or is some sort of hand out for the poor. You know what taxes pay for and it's not welfare. All you guys that support a millionaire subsidy still haven't said what sort of things you'd cut from the budget to pay for it - which btw is why we have a deficit because the resident doesn't have the leadership to cut anything either.

[ February 05, 2003, 02:21: Message edited by: rextorres ]

rextorres · #4 February 5th, 2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
It's not a republican or democratic problem, it's a rot the whole process.

Clinton policies were actually much mroe favorable to Enrons way of doing business. FOr example Ken Lay was a huge supporter of the Kyoto agreement, which Bush has all but scrapped.

Who was president while Enron was doing all it's shenanigans? Not Bush.

Geoschmo

HUH!

W used Enron's plane to fly around the country during his campaign and Enron and Ken Lay were W's biggest contributors.

The reason Ken Lay supported Kyoto was because he was afraid of stricter regulation - Kyoto was a compromise.

Enron donated 3x as much money to republicans as democrats.

http://www.commoncause.org/publicati...n02/011102.htm

EDIT: It was Gingrich's "Contract on America" that caused all the problems with Enron because of the deregulation that occurred blaming Slick for Enron doesn't make any sense.

[ February 05, 2003, 02:25: Message edited by: rextorres ]

Askan Nightbringer · #5 February 5th, 2003, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Uh no. The only thing Bush had to do with Enron was they gave some campaign donations. Enron gave loads of cash to both sides. That's one of the dirty little secrets of American politics. It's not a republican or democratic problem, it's a rot the whole process.

How bout Lay's involvement in the Bush/Cheney's Energy Plan. The energy companies got nice subsidies and tax breaks and the plan was written with the "help" of Enron and the like.
It was being investigated by the Government Accounting Office (whoever they may be).

And if its the whole process then that really sux. Never trust the establishment no matter what they say.

Askan

tesco samoa · #6 February 5th, 2003, 08:02 PM

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Sinapus · #7 February 5th, 2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Clinton policies were actually much mroe favorable to Enrons way of doing business. FOr example Ken Lay was a huge supporter of the Kyoto agreement, which Bush has all but scrapped.

Geoschmo

Um... and here I was thinking the Senate all but scrapped the Kyoto treaty.
(Hint: if the President signs a treaty, it is not binding until the Senate ratifies it. At best a Presidential signature means "we'll consider it". Which is apparently something that many people living inside and outside the US do not realize.)