1.84 upgrade and a newbies request for help.

[Pablo]

AFAIK uninstaller will remove the whole game, not just the Last patch. But of course, I may be wrong.
Edit: And YES, se4 is different from other programs because everything is stored in one folder (except shortcuts) and that is why you can easily copy the folder and it still works fine

[ January 30, 2003, 10:16: Message edited by: Pablo ]

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
It is always better to use the Add/Remove Programs utility of Windows to uninstall than it is to use third party uninstallers. Use that to uninstall SE4.

Fyron

Interesting that you should post this recently.

I Subscribe to PC Magazines Tip of the Day and received this in my e-mail just now.
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To delete programs you rarely use, and free up space on your hard drive in the process, try using an uninstaller application, such as Norton CleanSweep Deluxe from Symantec. CleanSweep tracks unused files, schedules cleanup jobs and removes applications more completely than the Windows Add/Remove utility.
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Knowing that CleanSweep does track the files of an install, I have been using CleanSweep over the Windows Add/Remove utility whenever a uninstall program is not provided with the application/game.

It is nice to see my "druthers" confirmed.

[Pablo]

tbontob,
you need to have Clean Sweep running _before_ installing any of your programs for it to be able to properly remove all the files. This means, it uses your system resources. If you like that - use this program. From my experience, most of the programs are very nicely uninstalled (not deleted) using windows uninstaller.
Actually, if the program is well done, it creates an uninstall file itself. All installation files are logged into some logfile.log. Then both win.uninstaller and cleansweep just launch the uninstaller and that's it.

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Greybeard:
I just made a new folder called "Space Empires IV Gold 1.84" and copied all of the files from my file called "Space Empires IV Gold 1.78"

I then unzipped the patch file into the new folder and ran the install.

I made a shortcut to the new .exe file and drug it to my desktop.

Worked great, all of the .emp files and races files are there, and I haven't had any problems.

The copying took about 12 minutes, but that's not too bad on my badly outdated computer.

Greybeard

I can confirm, it works well.

To those players who use rtclient, you will also have to change the SE4 directory of rtclient for it to refer to the 1.84 Version. It is done using the Options Menu.

I made a shortcut to the rtclient.jar file in SE4 1.84 and dragged it to my desktop.

Happy playing!

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Pablo:
tbontob,
you need to have Clean Sweep running _before_ installing any of your programs for it to be able to properly remove all the files. This means, it uses your system resources. If you like that - use this program. From my experience, most of the programs are very nicely uninstalled (not deleted) using windows uninstaller.
Actually, if the program is well done, it creates an uninstall file itself. All installation files are logged into some logfile.log. Then both win.uninstaller and cleansweep just launch the uninstaller and that's it.

Thanks Pablo.

Although I have owned computers since 1981, I have only switched from Macs to a P4 in 2001.

So, I am a newbie and as a newbie I like to reduce or limit the probability of problems.

At least until I become somewhat proficient in the use of windows.

I have read from a number of sources that the best way to uninstall is to use:
1) the applications uninstaller
2) Norton Cleansweep
3) the Add/Remove program of windows
in the above listed order of preference.

There was a caveat however. A lot of the uninstallers supplied with the product are buggy. If you suspect this may be so, the recommendation was to go with #2.

It is not often that the Tip of the Day specifically recommends a product. I can't remember the Last time they did so, and I have been reading their tips for the past two years (700 tips).

Quite right, I do have cleansweep running all the time and it does use system resources. But with a P4, I don't notice it. Owners of slower machines may notice a degradation in performance, but I wouldn't know. It also takes up hard disk space but I still have over 50% unused space even with GoBack which takes up 20% of the space on my hard drive. The fact that Norton SystemWorks [EDIT Professional] does not come cheap is definitely a disadvantage!

So, like many things this may come down to a difference of opinion. Being a newbie, I am in no position to judge the relative merits of the different positions taken. But if the people who make computers their lifes work say something and if these "experts" are more or less consistent with each other, I give what they say a great deal of my attention.

[ January 30, 2003, 19:23: Message edited by: tbontob ]