hydrogen fuel cell car

[Arkcon]

Originally posted by dumbluck:
The advantage to this is that we aren't digging CO2 out of the ground and throwing it up into the atmosphere. Instead, we're pulling the CO2 out of the atmosphere to make the diesel, then throwing it back up into the atmosphere when we burn it. Thus there is no increase in greenhouse gasses, we're just recycling them.

edit: for a more short term fix: there is always ethenol(sp?). It's made from corn (I think Biodiesel comes from soybeans). Auto engines can burn up to a 20%(?) ethenol mixture with gas (gas=80%, ethenol=20%). With some minor modifications to engines, that ratio can be reversed (80% ethenol, 20% gas).

That won't solve all the problems, of coarse. But it would definately make a dent in the pollution levels, huh?

As I understood it, the enery consumed in the production of those crops by Western farming methods is greater than potential yield. Producing crops by developing world methods simply produces much less total crops.

Although, I agree, it's just like Geo said, concentrating the polution producer in one spot so it can be controled is worthwhile.

But overall cost effectivness isn't there with biodiesel and ethanol fuel.

[couslee]

gryphin, you can not just ignore people with handicaps. elevators and "walk belts" ect are necessary. and you can't outlaw laziness for those that don't really need them.

So, the SE4 generator platform:
is large
has wave motion generator technology
has windmills generator technology
has solar panel technology,
all on a floating pLastic conjoined platform.

this is sounding better.

leave it to the SE4 forum posters to solve the world's fossile fuel crisis. lol

and they say TBSers don't know anything.

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And has anti-aircraft/anti-missle technology. mwahaha. that might get the gov't contract

[ January 29, 2003, 13:22: Message edited by: couslee ]

[geoschmo]

Guys, it's not a choice between CO/CO2 exhaust and water vapor exhaust. Conventional gas powered car exhaust has water vapor in it too. Maybe not as much as a straight hyrdogen fuel cell, but hey at least water vapor is non-toxic.

[couslee]

ok, then the next time my car starts dripping water from the exaust pipe, from the condensation in the exaust system, I'll save you glass of it to drink.

no, that water is toxic too, because it contains other particles from the combustion process.

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water form a hydrogen system, not sure of tho. but it would cause inVersion layers. they are bad

[ January 29, 2003, 13:27: Message edited by: couslee ]

[Krsqk]

and they say TBSers don't know anything.

Yeah, all those real-time strategy players would build "anti-pollution parks" to lower their average pollution levels.

Wait a minute...I played three missions of C&C:RA Last night.

[couslee]

Originally posted by Krsqk:

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and they say TBSers don't know anything.

Yeah, all those real-time strategy players would build "anti-pollution parks" to lower their average pollution levels.

Wait a minute...I played three missions of C&C:RA Last night.

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and you have to click on it 50 times for it to work

[geoschmo]

Originally posted by couslee:
ok, then the next time my car starts dripping water from the exaust pipe, from the condensation in the exaust system, I'll save you glass of it to drink.

no, that water is toxic too, because it contains other particles from the combustion process.

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water form a hydrogen system, not sure of tho. but it would cause inVersion layers. they are bad

Ok, you totally misunderstood me I think. I wasn't saying you could drink the water from gas powered cars tail pipe. I was saying the exact opposite in fact. People were appearing to try and make the point that the water vapor in the exhaust form a hydrgon fuel cell car is somehow bad for the enviroment and I was pointing out that regular cars have water vapor in the exhaust as well. But the hydrogen fuel cell car doesn't have all that nasty stuff too.

Geoschmo

[ January 29, 2003, 13:35: Message edited by: geoschmo ]