Fleet Experience Poll

DavidG · #1 February 3rd, 2003, 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by Askan Nightbringer:
Well the poll did need a

- I never have deleted a fleet with 20+ experience so I'm not fussed.

Askan

Ditto. For me fleets witn 20+ experience are pretty rare so I'm pretty carefull with them. Actually it's not even so much being carefull as just having no reason to take all the ships out. (other than taking out a few to retro fit)

tbontob · #2 February 2nd, 2003, 03:08 PM

Hey guys.

This is a simple poll intended for the ones who suffered a +20 experienced fleet loss. That is the long and the short of it.

So for the ones who have suffered an accidental loss of a +20 experience fleet, you either dislike it, are neutral or like it.

Strictly speaking, if you have never experienced a 20+ fleet loss, you cannot say how you felt about it.

Or to put it another way, a person cannot claim to have had a feeling about something which he has never experienced.

We may think we know how we would feel about something before it happens to us, but we truly do not know until it does.

And we could make it even more complicated to take into account newbies who also may not have experienced a +20 fleet loss and may not even know what the poll is about.

And then we can get into other aspects of it. Another person may say "I am not annoyed or irritated, I am very upset!" Or another may want the poll to take into account his feelings of extreme anger or rage (putting his boot through the computer screen).

So, the poll is intended to be quite simple..."If you have suffered +20 fleet experience loss, are you annoyed, simply irritated, neutral or have pleasure in the loss?"

[ February 02, 2003, 13:50: Message edited by: tbontob ]

Arkcon · #3 February 2nd, 2003, 03:49 PM

I don't often get fleets of +20 experience, unless I use the training facility. Which is exploiting the AI, andd too slow vs human. I would be irritated by the loss, but no more than when I'm doing a rerofit series and I accidentally retrofit to a cheaper design.

If I really cared enough, I'd let bases return to fleets so I could store the experience that way. But how's that gonna look on PBW. "This game is standard SE4, with one change so my life is easier" LOL

gravey101 · #4 February 2nd, 2003, 05:08 PM

On a slightly unrelated note does anyone understand how fleets actually accumulate experience outside of training. These days it seems I have fleets involved in numerous, massive, battles, and they may only be at 23% or so having be trained to 20%. Ditto for ships. Way back before gold I seem to remember that getting lots of PD hits would raise your exp dramatically, and I had some fleets in 1 game at legendary status, but this does not seem to be the case any more. Personally I would like to see the training aspect of fleet/ship experience much less significant than that gained through battle.

DavidG · #5 February 2nd, 2003, 05:35 PM

He what's up with the rant tbontob??

Your inital post re:acquanting Aaron with the problem seemed to invite opinions wether or not this was a problem. I don't think it is.

the poll is a bit simplistic anyway. If you accidentaly lose the %20 bonus on a main attack fleet deep in enemy territory that then gets whipped out you'd be pissed. If you 've got tones of training facilities and it is a new fleet it is no big deal

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I don't often get fleets of +20 experience, unless I use the training facility. Which is exploiting the AI, andd too slow vs human.

Really??? I just finished an all human game were they were absulutly crucial to my victory.

DavidG · #6 February 2nd, 2003, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by tbontob:
Strictly speaking, if you have never experienced a 20+ fleet loss, you cannot say how you felt about it

Hey were talking a game here not some tragedy like losing a loved one. I think it is within the imaginations of most se4 players to know how they would feel about this.

Pax · #7 February 2nd, 2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by tbontob:
Hey guys.

This is a simple poll intended for the ones who suffered a +20 experienced fleet loss. That is the long and the short of it.

So for the ones who have suffered an accidental loss of a +20 experience fleet, you either dislike it, are neutral or like it.

Strictly speaking, if you have never experienced a 20+ fleet loss, you cannot say how you felt about it.

Then your poll is inherentlybiased, as it does not encompass the full range of possible experiences WRT the subject matter at hand.

Yes, a simple "I've never lost one, so I don't feel either way" response WOULD have balanced the poll far better.

Basically it renders your results invalid WRT wetehr or not a fix is needed, or even appropriate. What if, for example, 90% of respondants were to choose "I'm careful enough I never do this in the first place" ... ??

Then, the obvious conclusion would be, it's not a problem.

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I won't even go INTO how biased the questions themselves were, in form AND wording ...