Proportions Mod Versions 2.5.2 and 2.5.3 available

mlmbd · #1 February 7th, 2003, 01:05 PM

Oh, goodie! Thank You, PvK!

mlmbd

ZeroAdunn · #2 February 7th, 2003, 07:09 PM

Excellent!

So, when are you going to make it fully Neostandard compliant????

PvK · #3 February 7th, 2003, 07:13 PM

Maybe 3.0.

Edit:
Although... what does that mean? I think the Neo-Standard is just a naming convention for any types the mod might add. I don't think the Neo-Standard says "all mods should include all these types". So, I think the only way to not be "Neo-Standard compliant", would be to include a ship that is clearly like something in the Neo-Standard, but then ask for a picture called something else (e.g. "FunShipPic"). So in that case, Proportions has been "Neo-Standard compliant" for most or all of its existence. There are a couple of types Proportions has that don't match anything in the Neo-Standard: Starliner and StarlinerLarge, for instance, and InfantryElite.

PvK

[ February 07, 2003, 17:18: Message edited by: PvK ]

oleg · #4 February 8th, 2003, 12:33 PM

Now that AI uses master computers, the whole Computers tech. branch is a no-go to AI...

PvK, can you please reduce accuracy penalty on MC ? They are way too harsh, IMHO. Or can you separate MC and Robotoid factories, for example by introducing a separate research area ?

Fyron · #5 February 8th, 2003, 01:00 PM

Those accuracy bonuses to MC don't even make sense. A computer can easily keep track of more things than people can.

oleg · #6 February 8th, 2003, 03:04 PM

Agree. You spend a fortune of research points and get an expensive component that makes your ships a sitting duck. Not to mention computer virus. The only argument is the protection against psychic races but it basically makes MC a very specialised thing worthless 90% of the game.

PvK · #7 February 8th, 2003, 08:29 PM

For the AI's sake I agree it would make sense to make master computers a seperate tech.

I should proabably revisit master computers a bit, but the point of the penalty is that I do not agree that a computer makes as good a warrior as a martial-minded biological. As we all know, AI's tend to be predictable and unable to adapt to the unpredictable complexities of an evolving tactical situation.

This has nothing to do with target tracking. That is covered by combat sensors and multiplex tracking, which can be used by humans or computers alike. The combat penalties for MC represent the very real factors that are beneath the scale of SE4's combat engine to represent in detail, but which would in my opinion make experiencd biological crews more formidable than computers. Ingenuity, innovation, unpredictability, will to survive, etc.

Also, I think master computers should definitely NOT have the "ability to gain experience". Relative ability arguments notwithstanding, with a computer, if it could learn, there would be no reason you couldn't download and broadcast its data to other computers, and have all master computers at the same experience level. It's not possible to mod that, nor to mod away their learning ability. The penalties therefore also compensate for this silly ability of master computers.

However, if you do climb to the top of the master computer tech tree, the penalties are only -5/-2.

PvK