[OT] Nation bashing

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Krsqk:
Anarchy is not a functional (functionable?) political structure. Government exists to arbitrate disputes arising from the infringement of one person's freedom on another's. Without a government, anarchy quickly devolves into a "might makes right" system. It also relies on all individuals being unselfish, rational creatures. It does not address, for instance, what should be done with the mentally ill, or those who steal/rape/kill for the pleasure of it (as opposed to need/provocation). If everyone is allowed to do what they wish, no one will have any recourse from injustice other than their personal firearm(s). Not exactly what I would call an ideal society.

That is not anarchy at all. That would fall more under something like the theoretical form of communism (though not quite). Anarchy simply means no laws, no regulations, no government, no leadership at all, no rights, nothing. It is of course impossible, as within minutes someone would take charge. It could very well be the guy with the biggest stick (your might makes right), which would be a despotism. Mob mentality will always win over anarchy.

Originally posted by sven:

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Originally posted by Wizarc:
Hmm, I thought being a Christian was just believing that you believed in a higher power a.k.a whatever the name is for God in their religion.

So now there is a religious class called Christian like Baptist, Catholic, etc?

Depends on who you ask...

I would tend to think that a christian is anyone who believes in the christian god, ie; Christ. However I know certain christian sects have different definitions, for instance my in-laws are born-agains (or pentecostal or evangelical or whatever the heck it is) and according to their dogma only people of that particular denomination are christian.

I'm not sure exactly what they consider the catholics, lutherans, anglicans and all the other denominations to be - but they sure don't consider them "christian".

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Again, being Christian means that you believe in the one God (and a very specific one), and that you accept the divinity of Jesus Christ. Pentacostals, Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, etc. are all Christians, period. Some sects of Christianity wrongly see other sects as not Christian, but they are just misinformed.

Personally, I think you should only be able to claim Christianity if you go to church regularly, or at least pray a lot. I know plenty of people who claim to be Christian but haven't seen the inside of a church since some cousin got married. It doesn't bother me that much since I'm an atheist anyway, but it does seem hypocritical to claim christianity without actually doing anything to prove it.

Being Christian has nothing to do with going to church or not. There are a number of sects of Christianity that explicitly do not agree with church, and so have no churches and do not go to them. But, they are by all means still Christians. What you are talking about is being religious. Many westerners fall into the trap of confusing "Christian" with "religious" because Christianity is so dominant amongst western cultures.

[ February 13, 2003, 20:13: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[primitive]

Andrés,
The rest of the "developed" nations, will have to share the blame with the US for the rape of Argentina.
I apologize.

Making a developing economy fight on equal terms with US/Europe is like pitting the 82nd Airborne against Ceasars Praeorian Guard.

[metro637]

Andres, I don’t know how well traveled you are, but a lot of the problems you are talking about are present here in America. We have unemployment, poverty, homeless, starving, and etc. I don’t want to sound leftist, rightist, or communist, but a lot of that has to do with class struggle. In my opinion, A corporation is only concerned with it’s stockholder’s not country so they could give a damn if people are poor in Argentina or America. It just so happens that other factors are involved. Someone has to be blamed if people are starving, right.
Hypothetically, maybe Argentina blames the U.S., we blame someone else. For example Japan. This keeps allows some to maintain power, gives rise to Nationalism, racism, and host of other isms. Keeps the focus off the real problems and solutions. Certain books by George Bernard Shaw capture these ideals.
A key to a happy successful country/people is the businesses and governments doing things that will make the country stronger in the long run vs. short term goals. The next thing is to set up a situation where the government is forced to be selfless and look out for the interests of the people.
In short, we are all being had by the MAN. You fill in the blanks

[tesco samoa]

Aloofim
I think the world will survive with the collaplse of the the us economy...

The 'pie' is changing... USA's slice is decreasing while other countries slice is increasing.

The world is not in a recession. USA is in a recession.

[metro637]

I'm speaking as an american minority whose has been poor and went days without eating, no electricity and running water?

[tbontob]

Originally posted by Krsqk:
Jesus said that His church was not a building, but the people. The church is comprised of the people who believe in Jesus as the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant, the Mosaic law, and the earlier Messianic promises, and follow his commands and teachings. However, there is a practical need for a meeting place. In the early church days, people met in the homes of fellow believers. Roman persecution drove the church underground (often literally). After the legalization of Christianity, churches once again met in the open. When Constantine married the church and the Roman state, Christianity became somewhat of a fad among the Roman elite, who had previously been steeped in pagan tradition. They saw ornate buildings as a vital part of worship. The tradition of large, ornate church buildings can be traced back to this time. Modern churches generally fall into one of two camps: 1) Size and opulence are the way to go; or 2) Spend enough to get the building you need, and do it well, but not to excess. [edit] I guess there is a third group, the "whatever we can come up with is good enough for God."

A Christian cannot be defined as one who goes to church or one who prays (although a Christian will do these things). A Christian is one who 1) accepts that Jesus died for the sins of the world, fulfilling the law, and for his own sins, individually. They should 2) accept the authority of the Bible over man's word and tradition, and they should 3) try to conform their life to the principles found in the Bible. Many who believe 1) don't accept 2) and live in direct contradiction to 3); according to the Bible, they are still technically Christians, but they don't live out their faith.

Krsqk

What is a little known fact is that the early Christians did their own share of persecuting. Only, it was against their own kind.

When Constantine "married" the Christian church and the state in the early 4th century, he wanted a unified religion under which he could govern his empire.

So, he convened the Council of Nicea and the debate started on whether Jesus was:
1) totally divine
2) totally humane
3) part divine, part human.

Basically, there were 2 major camps, totally divine and totally humane. With some in between.

Eventually, they decided he was totally humane and totally divine. IMHO, this was a political decision. Everybody got what they supposedly wanted.

But one sect of Christianity, the Nestorians who lived in Asia, didn't accept the Nicene Creed. They believed Jesus was human and not divine.

This sect was persecuted and eventually went underground. With varying degrees of persecution, they lived this way down through the centuries.

Then Mohammed came onto the scene. I suspect many Nestorians joined Mohammed along with the tribes of the area who had a wide range of tribal gods.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet and not divine.

Main stream Muslims have a high regard for Christ, Mary and other Biblical figures. More to the point, they claim they were derived from Abraham as do the Jews and Christians.

There are some interesting stats which gives one pause to think. For example, the Koran mentions Jesus's mother, "Mary", more often than the Bible does.

But, of course, the question of Christ's divinity divides our religions.

[metro637]

If the U.S. economy was to collapse that would hurt almost if not all countries on the globe. The only countries that would not be effected would be countries that had no dependence on U.S. imports/exports, no stock in U.S. companies, no U.S. stockholders(people/corporations), receives no type of U.S. aid and no financial/political relations with any country that did. Which country is that?