OT - Good sci fi TV shows?

[dogscoff]

Anyone else remember Alien:Nation? There was a bunch of refugee aliens living in some American city, and the story follwed a Tenktonese cop teamed up with an initially xenophobic human.

There were a few films of it, but the series was best. The best bits were the explorations of Tentonese culture - they got drunk on sour milk and had all these strange biological functions only ever hinted at.

[Omega_Prime]

Originally posted by Atrocities:
VOYAGER = bad tv. I command you to stop putting it on your top 10 lists!

Oh I agree. "The Janeway Gambit" never failed to piss me off.

She would do something retarded and it would be just the trick. She could defeat the borg at will, and repeatably. I mean, she would not flinch at sidling Voyager up to a borg ship. (The fact that her ship's name is too appropriate for the thin premise of the show was bad enough by its self.)

They TALKED an advanced borg into being "good". They destroyed the "borg nexus". (The idea of a borg nexus, really should have begged the question, "Why is there still a Federation?")

The show was an exorcise in mis-use and abuse of plot device. A black-eye on the face of sci-fi, if it can even be called that.

Of course, the borg can travel through time too. In fact they are so powerful, they never won a battle.

It's a wonder sci-fi has survived that drivel.

Rodenbery has done worse though.
Earth: Final Crap-fest.

Jesus Rodham Christ. This show was more "Trekie" than TREK! It didn't just ignore past seasons, it could actually ignore the very Last episode, change its history at will, and cycle through main characters as fast as bad Japanimation.

Alternate twin universe, evil twin, new tech mentioned just in time to be used for today's story, mumbo-jumbo in the guise of sci-fi...this has Rodenbery stink all over it.

UPDATE: Let me just add, though, that the first season of EFC was pretty watchable, if not on the edge of entertaining.

[ February 13, 2003, 15:11: Message edited by: Omega_Prime ]

[Omega_Prime]

10 most awful sci-fi TV shows ever.

1. Earth: Final Conflict
2. Voyager
3. Farscape (After it started sucking)
4. Cleopatra 2525 (watchable on mute)
5. Lost in Space
6. Andromeda
7. Highlander: Raven
8. Enterprise (is there a petition to kill this?}
9. Greatest American Hero
10. Manamal

ten best:

1. Stargate SG1
2. B5 (Though very dry chemistry wise)
3. Sliders (first season at least)
4. Battlestar galactica
5. X-files (early on)
6. Night Stalker (horror/mystery/scifi)
7. Twilight Zone
8. 6 million dollar man
9. Farscape (Before it started sucking)
10. Outer Limits

I didn't mention shows like Scorpian/Nightman/Manta because they are pretty much the same bad show, with different actors.

[orev_saara]

Did somebody claim that Stranger in a Strange Land was a good book? Maybe I am a stranger in a strange land, but it seemed to me that Heinlein was just indulging in some of his odd fetishes a little too much in that book. Don't believe me? Read Glory Road or Job: A Comedy of Justice. Good writing occasionally, but the man had issues. If you're looking to read good sci-fi, I recommend Asimov or Cherryh. Or Zelazny, for something a little wierder. Or Card. And Saberhagen sci-fi ain't bad.

[Baron Munchausen]

Omega Prime, you missed the 'revival' Galactical 1980 on that list of the worst SciFi of all time. It belongs at the TOP of the list, too! The Buck Rogers series follows closely behind it.

Orev Saara wrote:

Did somebody claim that Stranger in a Strange Land was a good book? Maybe I am a stranger in a strange land, but it seemed to me that Heinlein was just indulging in some of his odd fetishes a little too much in that book. Don't believe me? Read Glory Road or Job: A Comedy of Justice. Good writing occasionally, but the man had issues. If you're looking to read good sci-fi, I recommend Asimov or Cherryh. Or Zelazny, for something a little wierder. Or Card. And Saberhagen sci-fi ain't bad.

Yes, Heinlein re-wrote the same book(s) many times over. Stranger in a Strange Land is nearly identical with Friday, for example. Too bad he didn't know when to quit.

[ February 13, 2003, 17:48: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

[Omega_Prime]

Job: A comedy of justice. If that sucked any harder I would accuse it of being a colaberation between Terry Gilliam, David Lynch, and Tim Burton. It was that bad. Good thing they never made a move together. It would be three hours of muppets and midgets commiting suicide via auto-erotic-asphyxiation. (Or would that be a dream sequence?)

Tim Burton can rape a story like nobody else...except maybe Disney. (Treasure Planet? Tarzan? I hope Disney never starts doing Bible Stories...Jesus and the cross singing, Jesus surfs on it.)

Legend of Sleepy Hollow was okay...it just had nothing to do with the story of the same name.
It should have been called, "Sherlock Holms and the case of the Headless Swordsman"

But together? Together they form VOLTRON.

LOL

[ February 13, 2003, 17:54: Message edited by: Omega_Prime ]

[Omega_Prime]

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
Omega Prime, you missed the 'revival' Galactical 1980 on that list of the worst SciFi of all time. It belongs at the TOP of the list, too! The Buck Rogers series follows closely behind it.

I considered Galactica 1980, but it was a kid's show. Chips from space, almost. I also didn't include Knight Rider, Team Knight Rider (yeah there was a spin-off!) Captain Marvel/Isis, Electrowoman/DynaGirl, and a host of other unwatchables. It's not really fair to include kids shows as bad scifi...or else I would have a super long list...highlander the animated series.....the new Stargate cartoon....Trek Animated.....

The only reason 6 million dollar man made it, was because of the original premise (borrowed from the story Cyborg). A cyborg secret agent. Not new now with cyber-punk, but ground-breaking in its day. It started off, I might add better than it ended. It was a comic-book on TV by the end. Bigfoot, aliens...more than one race of aliens....complete androids....but in the 70s people wanted crap, so that is what they eventually got from this show too.