OT: Alien Contact

[CNCRaymond]

Here is a thought for ya to consider.

What if we are all that is left of life out there?

What if there are no more planets for us to colonize?

What if all that we will ever have is what we have here?

Think of it this way; five people are stranded on a desert island with enough rations to Last one month. How long do you think it will take one of them to figure out that if he bumps off the other four, he will have enough rations to keep him alive for many months?

What we have here and now is the best we will ever have it. Our resources are dwindling away and our population is increasing at a tremendous rate. Eventually there will not be enough to go around.

If you take an empty bottle that takes exactly one hour to fill if you start by adding one peanut to it and every minute that follows you double the amount of peanuts you add to it, (1 then 2, then 4, then 8 etc), at what point will that bottle be half full?

Albert Bartlett, a mathematician and economic specialist has shown without a doubt that math does not lie when it comes to growth and consumption of resources. Eventually our growth will out pace our ability to meet our basic demands. That democracy is reduced by growth and that freedom will diminish as our resources do and our population increases.

No religion in the universe is going to save us from ourselves. We are here alone, on this fragile little planet out here in the farthest reaches of known space, all alone in the dark, with no hope for survival. There is going to be no salvation, no utopia, and no future for our race, our planet, or our concept of faith.

God cannot save us, so stop hoping that he will. Our number has been punched before we were ever conceived.

Do this, play a game like Civ3. You start out with this huge map and all this free space. Over time that free space becomes less and less as you expand. Eventually what was once vast open spaces is now all city and full of population. A hundred years ago most of the USA was still wilderness and unpopulated, but now, freeways and housing developments everywhere. Think how bad it is going to be in the next hundred years?

Just remember this simple philosophy, nothing really matter five minutes after you do it. For in a hundred years, what you have done will mean nothing. In a thousand years no one will ever know you did it.

I give us about fifty more years before all hell breaks out and the war to survive begins. No amount of money will protect you when this happens, no amount of faith, no amount of hope. It is simply going to be a matter of survival, for if we do not do something soon; Mother Nature is going to do it for us.

[ February 28, 2003, 04:01: Message edited by: CNCRaymond ]

[tesco samoa]

Did you know the Romans invented the Steam Engine.

Guess what they used it for.

Yep .... when people would walk into the Baths in Rome their was pressure plates on the ground. When they stepped on it the doors would open... All Powered by a steam engine.

On the topic of the Bible.

Fyron you should not disreguard it.

It is a Scientific book written many many years ago. If it was written today it would resemble the current way we figure out life which is Mathmatics.

And the majority of science that pretains to perception we currently believe to be true will eventually be proven wrong.... History has prooven this. It also prooves I can not spell.

[ZeroAdunn]

Wow CNC, you want to try and depress me a little more?

[Ruatha]

About tunneling.
I haven't had time to read these link yet:
http://www.aei-potsdam.mpg.de/~mpoes...nelingftl.html
http://www.comcity.com/distance-time...tunneling.html
But if anyone has the time please do and sum it up.
If I remember correctly it was somethiung about light passing faster through a grid then through vacuum.

Another experiment: (That I haven't read yet, am (kind of) at work, will read later)
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0008F9A7-7781-1C76-9B81809EC588E F21&pageNumber=1&catID=9

But wasn't it something about two quarks (I hope that's the english word for "kvarkar") in harmony changes state at the same time disregarding any difference when one of the quarks alter state?

(Sorry about posting links I haven't read yet, but they where on my "read" list and I wanna post before I go and become "un-connected" again for a while.)

[ February 28, 2003, 07:54: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

[dogscoff]

CNC: You're wrong=-)

1. We already produce more food than the population of the Earth can eat. All the famine and starvation in the world comes down to economics and logistics, not underproduction.

2. The Earth is nowhere near full yet. There are massive tracts of land as yet unused for farming and living space. By the time that runs out, we will have the technology to exploit the ocean floors, which will effectively treble the amount of surface available to us.

3. If the Earth does become overcrowded, some kind of catastrophic event (war, environmental disaster) will reduce the human population, but it won't wipe us out. We are too good at adapting ourselves and our environment to our own needs to be extinguished that easily. I think we could even (just about) survive a meteor hit and subsequent nuclear winter. Also, our current society is now a global phenomenon- unless you destroyed every country in the world it would be a shorter climb back up to our current state than it was from the dark ages back up to the level of civilisation that preceded them.

4. We WILL make it up into space. It will probably centuries or even millenia before we leave this solar system, but I firmly believe we will. In the meantime, The moon, Mars, the asteroid belt and some of the Jovian satellites will all be mined and/ or colonised. Once we achieve self-sufficiency away from mother earth, the human race will be truly unstoppable.

[Aloofi]

This thread is awesome!

[Graeme Dice]

Originally posted by dogscoff:
2. The Earth is nowhere near full yet.

This is a matter of opinion. In mine, we already have more than twice as many people as there should be.