OT of OT: Rating Fyron -- no longer possible

Ragnarok · #1 March 5th, 2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by jimbob:
Hmmm.. without going and finding a bible (I'm at work, and don't think it's likely that one is lying about anywhere) I need to harken back to my memory. I think the bible implies that there will be an increase in war, rumors of war, earthquakes, some other bad stuff, etc. Could it be that our advanced communications technology simply increases the amount of reportage on such events? And so the bible could be accurate, in that the average Joe will perceive that there are more wars, earthquakes, etc. as an artifact of our technology rather than know that there is or isn't such an increase.

i.e. who would have known in NY that a 7.0 tremor went off in New Deli in the early 1800s? But today, everyone in the western world finds out when a tremor 6.0 goes of in Ebbi A'boud Afganistan within about 1 hour!!

Exactly.

I just never could put that into words.

tbontob · #2 March 5th, 2003, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by spoon:

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Originally posted by Mephisto:
But then again the Bible does not say that the actual number of quakes will raise but just that there will be more quakes. Just more perceived or real is not stated and up to the reader.

You forgot to add that Chewbacca is a wookie that lives on Endor.

About this Bible stuff.

I don't know why they included Revelation in the Bible.

IIRC, it was written by John the Divine, a century or two after Jesus's death.

Now John the Divine is not the disciple John.

It just seems to be tacked on at the end of the Bible and seems out of place and out of sync with the rest of the Bible.

Maybe it was included to put the fear of the Lord into "us" Christians.

Now, before I get dunning Messages from Fyron et al, these are just my thoughts and are only presented to encourage a open-minded discussion.

Fyron · #3 March 5th, 2003, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Ragnarok:

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Originally posted by jimbob:
Hmmm.. without going and finding a bible (I'm at work, and don't think it's likely that one is lying about anywhere) I need to harken back to my memory. I think the bible implies that there will be an increase in war, rumors of war, earthquakes, some other bad stuff, etc. Could it be that our advanced communications technology simply increases the amount of reportage on such events? And so the bible could be accurate, in that the average Joe will perceive that there are more wars, earthquakes, etc. as an artifact of our technology rather than know that there is or isn't such an increase.

i.e. who would have known in NY that a 7.0 tremor went off in New Deli in the early 1800s? But today, everyone in the western world finds out when a tremor 6.0 goes of in Ebbi A'boud Afganistan within about 1 hour!!

Exactly. I just never could put that into words.

That is nowhere near what you said though Rags.

That argument supposes that the claims of the Bible are based off of superstition, ignorance and false belief (about the earthquakes and other disasters). This does not seem like a good basis for such claims to me.

[ March 05, 2003, 20:42: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Aloofi · #4 March 5th, 2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by tbontob:
I don't know why they included Revelation in the Bible.

Yeah, and I don't know why they took only 4 of the 40 gospels existing when in 325 C.E. in Nicea they made what we know today as the New Testament.
Maybe to save paper?

Fyron · #5 March 5th, 2003, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Aloofi:

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Originally posted by tbontob:
I don't know why they included Revelation in the Bible.

Yeah, and I don't know why they took only 4 of the 40 gospels existing when in 325 C.E. in Nicea they made what we know today as the New Testament.
Maybe to save paper?

Because they wanted to get a very specific message across, and so chose only those that relayed that message.

Aloofi · #6 March 5th, 2003, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Because they wanted to get a very specific message across, and so chose only those that relayed that message.

It looks to me more like they chose the ONLY 4 that said that guy, what his name?, was born from a supernatural sperm injection instead of good o'l sex.

Alpha Kodiak · #7 March 5th, 2003, 11:13 PM

I'm going to regret this....

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I am not sure what else I could have said that I did not say, as the Bible was written after the historical events it supposedly predicted (or more precisely, the parts that did the "predicting" were written after the fact, as not all of the Bible was written at the same time)

You keep saying that, but in this entire thread you have never offered any evidence of it. If you have any evidence, I would like to see it, otherwise you cannot keep putting down Rags for his belief (and mine) that the Bible is true.

TBonTob: For a discussion of the authorship and date of Revelation, see the following: Link

I believe it was written by John the Apostle at the very end of his life, but as the above article explains, it is not that important. The book claims Divine inspiration. What is important is whether you believe that to be true or not, rather than whom you believe the human author to be.