OT of OT: Rating Fyron -- no longer possible

Fyron · #1 March 6th, 2003, 07:46 AM

And from that follows that those that do not accept Christ will not get into heaven. Hence, a large majority of people get to go to Hell, assuming that Christianity is right.

Of course, no one has yet answered my question as to why Christianity (or whatever their personal belief system is) is right, and all other religions are wrong. What is so special/different about Christianity that makes everyone else wrong? How do you know that your religious beliefs are the right ones, and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Australian Aboriginals, American Indians, non-converted-to-Christianity Africans, etc. are all wrong? And no quote from the Bible could possibly be a valid logical argument for this, as that would require very circular reasoning, which is a huge logical fallacy.

ZeroAdunn · #2 March 6th, 2003, 08:01 AM

Hmmm... were to begin, were to begin.....

Well, I think wardad is right, I need some alcohol.

ZeroAdunn · #3 March 6th, 2003, 08:06 AM

Fyron: That is the whole point of religion, it isn't about logic, it is about faith. Believing something you cannot be sure in because someting inside tells you it is right. You must understand this, as you show great faith in science.

I personally am not a christian, and find it, along with most organized religions, flawed and mostly a sham. But in the end it doesn't matter, I still choose to respect their beliefs because they could be right, I don't know, and there is no way for me to find out, and if it makes them feel a little better, and doesn't hurt anybody else, more power to them.

Alpha Kodiak · #4 March 6th, 2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by ZeroAdunn:
Hmmm... were to begin, were to begin.....

Well, I think wardad is right, I need some alcohol.

Don't worry, I'm done. There is nothing else that needs to be said from my perspective.

Fyron · #5 March 6th, 2003, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Alpha Kodiak:

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Originally posted by ZeroAdunn:
Hmmm... were to begin, were to begin.....

Well, I think wardad is right, I need some alcohol.

Don't worry, I'm done. There is nothing else that needs to be said from my perspective.

Because you are rigidly set in your ways and not open to new ideas.

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Fyron: That is the whole point of religion, it isn't about logic, it is about faith. Believing something you cannot be sure in because someting inside tells you it is right. You must understand this, as you show great faith in science.

Something inside me (that thing called a brain) tells me that some of it is wrong.

I do not show faith in science as you meant it. There is a tremendous difference between science and religion, and faith does not apply to science (unless you do something dumb like turn science into a religion).

[ March 06, 2003, 06:32: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Ruatha · #6 March 6th, 2003, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Ruatha:
About that majority thing.
Yes, the Christians aren't in any majority of the population.
But remember that today more people lives than there has ever existed in all of mankinds history , added up in atotal over time!

Actually, that is not true.

Ah, Fyron. Now you do it again.
I haven't rated you but I can see why people rated you low.

You state a belife you have as a undisputable fact.
You give no arguments saying why this isn't true.

No one can actually say that it is absolutely true or not.
Many estimates ends up saying that it is true but it depends on how old the human race is and the population growth in prehistoric times.

I for one belive that this is so.
Actually it is one of the problems that those who belive in reincarnation has to explain (Altough they have produced several theories explaining it, very few says that the population growth problem is untrue)

Some links:

Reincarnation
Demography

Or:
Do the math yourself...
Methods of historical demography

Other references:
David Bishai, 'Can population growth rule out reincarnation? A model of circular migration', Journal of Scientific Exploration, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 411-20, 2000

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And some more:

(Image from the smithsonian institute)

A pedagogic site on world population growth.

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[ March 06, 2003, 09:49: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

dogscoff · #7 March 6th, 2003, 12:31 PM

It's a well known and documented historical fact that Jesus was into Slayer, Megadeth and Def Leppard.

I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions.

Oh, and whoever talked about judging people by their shoes..? I agree. 90% of the time I find that people wearing big, solid boots (as casual shoes) are good people.