BIG AI problem in Proportion games with "classical" movement :( :(

oleg · #1 March 13th, 2003, 02:32 AM

So, anybody has any idea how to fix this ? It really hurts AI. Sometimes I can see AI completely stop expanding, all its colony ships and population transports full with people hanging around homeworld.

I seriously consider to play simultaneos turns only !

PsychoTechFreak · #2 March 13th, 2003, 10:23 AM

I wonder if this is the same issue with the AIcampaign idea to put the population cargo ability to the ship hulls of the starliners. Maybe the behaviour is different then?

The problem seems to be the 1kt cargo ability of the supply cargos, which is necessary for supply transporters. What if this would be removed from the supply cargo and we search for another compensation. Probably an additional transporter hull with supply tank abilities tied to the hull? I am not sure if that is even possible.

oleg · #3 March 13th, 2003, 03:19 PM

No, I check it and it does not help

Now I have ships with 1000/1000 cargo still sitting in orbit

JLS · #4 March 13th, 2003, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
I wonder if this is the same issue with the AIcampaign idea to put the population cargo ability to the ship hulls of the starliners. Maybe the behaviour is different then?

PsychoTechFreak,
The AI Player, does not use Star Liner, Hulls in AI Campaign... The AI player uses Small Transports and work fine for Population transport... I am not aware there was a Transport issue Proportions 2.53.

Have, you seen a Issue with Pop transport in AI Campaign?

Or are you just razzing me

JLS · #5 March 13th, 2003, 04:13 PM

Oleg,
Prior to v1.84 the Pop Transports would station over HW, until it had a Breathable colony to transport. True, I believe now Pop Transports go from nearest Colony then out .

If you want to send me the Proportions save game, I will take a look at it. As well.
Note: any changes in the Proportion 2.53 Data files will also have to be sent.

I am sure I can help. With a answer and fix, as it applies to your Proportions issue.

John

[ March 13, 2003, 19:38: Message edited by: JLS ]

oleg · #6 March 13th, 2003, 04:27 PM

I'll send the example when I come home. But you can simply start a new proportions game, turn-based movements, several AI players. After about turn 40-50, switch to a computer player and you will see the problem. If somehow everything is all right, try another AI player. Sometimes it happens, sometimes not. Races with my AI are more exampliary because they build more transports. But I saw this weird behaivor with Abbidon and CueCappa.

PsychoTechFreak · #7 March 13th, 2003, 05:29 PM

If the 1000kT per pop unit is the main root cause, and it looks like this, if I understand oleg's post correctly:

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...3;t=007969;p=1

... Can there even be another workaround than to reduce the population weights again? I don't think so. To compensate this (e.g. if we say 10kt per pop unit) one would need to multiply the planet production modifiers as well as the planet population itself by 100 or 1000 in case of 1kt per pop unit. But I guess I am fantasizing again...

EDIT: Impossible, but it would be nice if we could setup population max numbers by planet sizes to a lot higher values...

[ March 13, 2003, 15:40: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]