BIG AI problem in Proportion games with "classical" movement :( :(

[PvK]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Read the SE4 Modding 101 tutorial. It will tell you what all of those settings do.

Each shot on the planet kills 1 pop unit, regardless of what
Damage Points To Kill One Population := 200
is set to. Set it to 10000, and every shot on the planet kills 1 pop unit, even if the weapon only does 1 damage.

Or, do a test, and see what actually happens. Last time I tested this was 1.78 or earlier, but the above was not true, IIRC.

PvK

[Fyron]

Or, do a test, and see what actually happens. Last time I tested this was 1.78 or earlier, but the above was not true, IIRC.

That is what happened when I tested it. Actually... to be more accurate, the shots that damage pop/facilities always kill off at least one pop unit. The shots that damage cargo (such as WPs) do no damage to population.

[PvK]

Ok, I just ran some tests to confirm and I guess I mis-remembered. I thought I had seen that it was fixed, but I guess not. Yes, it looks like one shot will always kill at least one pop unit - the damage gets rounded up to the pop damage value, once all units are destroyed. Sigh...

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[oleg]

Originally posted by PsychoTechFreak:
You are right with the 500M stagnation, oleg. This one is hardcoded, right?[/QB]

I think so. It would be nice if MM moves this variable to settings.txt like most other numbers. But untill he does it we will have to live with it ! It is not a bad feature for connected games. AI spread population quite nicely if you play either my Proportions modification or with your settings. I still wonder what is the upper limit on population mass before AI bug kicks in.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by PvK:
Ok, I just ran some tests to confirm and I guess I mis-remembered. I thought I had seen that it was fixed, but I guess not. Yes, it looks like one shot will always kill at least one pop unit - the damage gets rounded up to the pop damage value, once all units are destroyed. Sigh...

PvK

I never said that how it works was good, just that it is how it works.

[PsychoTechFreak]

Originally posted by oleg:
It would be nice if MM moves this variable to settings.txt like most other numbers. But untill he does it we will have to live with it ! It is not a bad feature for connected games. AI spread population quite nicely if you play either my Proportions modification or with your settings.

Agreed, for mods like proportions it would be nice to see things like "pop bar graph threshold 1 and 2" also. And surely the thresholds would be easy to implement.

I still wonder what is the upper limit on population mass before AI bug kicks in.

I understand . Since I test from the lowest functioning value (5kT) with my test setup, I am going to increase pop weight now until I see the AI bug kicking in...

EDIT: Or we take the unmodded game and increase weight until bug. Then we might be able to see, wheather it is a proportions issue or a general bug.

[ March 15, 2003, 07:15: Message edited by: PsychoTechFreak ]

[PvK]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I never said that how it works was good, just that it is how it works.

Ya, I don't know that anyone ever said how that works was good.

PvK