What's your micromanagement tolerance level?

[JLS]

In all I have played just about all of the 4x games out with the noteable exception of SE III, and in all of those games, I found SEIV to be the most balanced when it came to Micromanagment.

I do not agree that the game is bogged down by micromanagment, and would argue that fact to any one who believes so.

This QUOTE sums up my view, as well....

I believe SMAC to be a Very popular game, certainly one of my Favorites and that had a lot of Micromanagement; possibly even much more at times.

[ March 07, 2003, 12:54: Message edited by: JLS ]

[raynor]

I am a big fan of the Civilization series of games. (I will include Alpha Centauri) in that mix. In the original Civ played under DOS, I don't remember there being any sort of queue. Please correct me if I'm wrong. In that game, you could eventually end up with dozens and dozens of cities, and you would have to tell them what to buld each and every time they finished building something. To me, that is micromanagement hell. Don't get me wrong. I loved that game. But it *was* quite tedious after a while.

Was it Civ II that first introduced build queues? I think build queues are awesome. Now, you can plan out the next 'x' number of things you are going to build. This way, you still have all the control you desire but don't have to, in my mind, micro manage the "heck" out of the game.

Wasn't it Civ II that also introduced the ability to set your city on different tracks? That also was a neat feature. I must admit that I never used it because I preferred to specify what each city was building. Now, if I could have had the ability to specify what buildings in what order were build by each "minister", I would have loved that. Well... they added that in a later patch. You could edit a text file and determine what to build and when. I never used that but I applaud them for adding in.

Now, let's fast forward to MOO3. There are MANY, MANY buildings that you absolutely cannot build yourself. Speaking in SEIV terminology, each planet has a specific number of facility slots. In MOO3, there are a number of facility-enhancing buildings that can be stacked on top of those facility slots. In MOO3, you have no control over when and how those are built--even through the use of the empire-wide, macro-management development plans. To me, this is WAY too little control.

Through the use of Development plans implemented at the empire level, you *can* specify what "facilities" to build on a planet. That is a neat sort of feature that *might* be nice for a game such as SEV.

Another example of over "macro"-izing the game is how it allocates resources to new planets. In SEIV, when you start a new planet, population doesn't affect the initial production rate like it always has in the Master of Orion series of games. In MOO1 and MOO2, you could move population from your "average" worlds to your best, high mineral production worlds. But in MOO3, there just doesn't seem to be any way to do that.

Because MOO3 requires "money" to build anything, a new colony cannot do any building without a substantial amount

[Grandpa Kim]

Originally posted by Stone Mill:
I love managing. Perhaps you can improve your tolerance by adopting a better routine, or "system."

I do the same things in the same order every turn now, and although there are many tasks, I feel that there is a more effecient way of doing things.

When I first started, found myself double and triple-checking things... but then I actually thought about the order of operations and held myself to a routine. Now, I can select the "End turn" button much quicker, and with much more confidence.

That pretty much describes how I do things except I still double check. I start with the log then go through each and every system, first ships and units, then planets. 90% of the time, that's all it is, a check, a reassurance. But sometimes I'll see that I'm still building that old satellite and change it to the new model or put a hold on that monolith 2 because monoliths 3 will be available next turn.
After the systems review, I check each screen: planets, colonies, ships, construction, empire status, research, the log again (for diplomatic responses) and finally the other empires. Amazing how often that check through the screens catches something I missed earlier. I know my thoroughness would drive most of you bonkers, but I love it!

Kim

[mottlee]

Hmmm 1st post did not post I do not have a problem with running it untill late in game then I still "micromanage" it the AI is for a lack of other words dumb and makes silly moves so I will keep going this way and enjoying the game, I have used the ministers a few time to try them and will run the normal way one turn at a time

[Ragnarok]

Must be me.

I love micromanagement of SEIV. I wouldn't have it any other way. I wouldn't mind if there was more actually. But right now it is a good level and balanced ver well.
Oh and ministers suck!

[DavidG]

Originally posted by mottlee:
Hmmm 1st post did not post

Hey and what happened to my post?? Also based on a quote it looks like StoneMill posted here and I don't see his post

[Baron Munchausen]

I think the 'tolerance level' of anyone for micromanagement will be the point where they can't remember what they are doing in various places all over the empire and start to forget/lose track of things. This is different for different people.

Some changes/additions to the SE IV interface would make management of your empire easier. More ways to select Groups of colonies and issue orders to them. More 'divisions of labor' in the ministers so you can hand smaller tasks over to them. I'd really like to let the AI scan for intruders in my systems and send warnings to leave. But I have to turn on the Politics minister to do that, and that also agrees or breaks treaties! I can't let the AI run my foreign relations, so I can't get any help in watching the borders. Bummer. Seperate ministers for these things would be very nice. Similarly, I'd like the AI mines/satellites minister to maintain mine fields or sat Groups that I create, but NOT create new ones. Not available, so I have to leave the minister off to keep it from wasting mines and sats in places I don't want them used. Hmm. Nicest of all would be in the AI defense minister could be told to keep a fleet to a specific 'area' of action. To defend only certain systems, in other words. Instead the AI will go running all over the place once you give it control of a ship or fleet. Being able to tell a specific fleet to 'stay in this system, defend only THESE systems' would be a big help.

[ March 07, 2003, 19:14: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]