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March 7th, 2003, 10:35 PM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
I think it's a matter of personal taste and interest what each player considers to be "mircomanagement", and what is instead "gameplay"!
If you're willing to use ministers, SE4 can involve only certain kinds of management, or even none at all. It's too bad the ministers aren't a bit more sophisticated and controllable.
SE4 can get to be overwhelming when you have a really large empire, though, and there are definite advantages to managing details. It can take hours of management each turn to get a large empire to the point where there are no more orders which could clearly be useful. On the other hand, especially if you queue orders in advance, use repeat orders, etc, you can also often do OK just mostly coasting. So, it depends on how much of a perfectionist you are, too. Do you really need to have everyone occupied at all times?
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March 7th, 2003, 11:47 PM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
I suggest that all the forum Moderators change their login passwords, just to be safe.
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March 8th, 2003, 12:08 AM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
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Being able to tell a specific fleet to 'stay in this system, defend only THESE systems' would be a big help.
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Can you do that with the Patrol order? (I've never used it in SE IV myself, so I don't know.)
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March 8th, 2003, 01:38 AM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
Hmmm... 5 god-like micromanagers *wonders who they might be*
So far I've only seen one person who says they double or tripple check their planets, ships, etc. Is this kind of behavior rare, 'cause I find myself double and tripple checking from turn 1... Thank goodness for PBW. I don't have to feel guilty for making players wait 30 minutes before I finish a turn
I just took a look at some BOTF reviews, and I must say I'm suprised I missed this little jewel back when it came out. I am so tempted to shell out some cash for this puppy. But Galciv is coming out... Argh.
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March 8th, 2003, 02:01 AM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
BOTF should hardly cost any money nowadays.
Most people do not double and triple check their build queues every turn, as there is no real benefit to doing so. Why check to make sure that the ships you ordered to be built Last turn are now on 4 tuns left instead of 5? Seems like a huge waste of time to me.
I personally have it set to display the number of facilities, and only check the planets that have empty slots, and nothing in the queue. I use the multi-add feature to add as many ships as I need in much less time than adding them one by one. Other than that, checking all the other queues every turn is a waste of time IMO.  Why constantly second-guess yourself? How often do you change your mind and remove partially built items from the queues and replace them with different items? That is a big waste of time (both real and game) and resources.
Now research should be checked every turn, as you normally get a tech or two each turn.  Same with Intel queues if you are in a game that uses that horribly broken system.
[ March 08, 2003, 00:02: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]
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March 8th, 2003, 11:48 PM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
The fact that BOTF is cheap is part of the problem. It's hard to justify purchasing a game when the postage will be equal to or greater than the cost of the game itself...
You're right. I rarely change what I've done, but then again I guess I must be mildly obsessive-compulsive... 
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March 9th, 2003, 05:56 AM
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Re: What\'s your micromanagement tolerance level?
»What's your micromanagement tolerance level?.
I have se4gold for a year now. My tolerance is superior, I can handle it. But when i have over 40+ worlds green astricks,3 enemy empires,200 ships in a 200 solar systems.Then i start to need Ice on my head. I used ministers,Which work in a sorry way for me. I tried?, I DIED!. Hopefully this will be address to MM in a patch, which somebody can list its faults.
Additional questions listed below.
1) Does SEIV involve a lot of micromanaging?
2) Does SEIV feel like there's a lot of micromanaging involved?
3) Does anybody happen to know of a computer game that involves more micromanaging than SEIV?
Answers;
1) Only to Very later progress in the game.theory above.
2) Depends upon the player.But I dont believe so.
3)  STARS is a runner up. BOTF is ABSOULUTY NOT.
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