[OT] Plato's Pub and Philosophical Society

[Fyron]

Re quoting sources: sorry Fyron, agree with most of your points but you can't operate double standards on that one.

I am not operating any double standards. Again, my point was that some people keep posting that stuff about my Posts that don't cite evidence, while ignoring any Posts made by anyone else that do the same thing mine do. I never once said anything about someone else's post that did not cite evidence.

[Krsqk]

You need to stop editing once I start replying.

I'm not referring to their contention that the Bible contains prophetic material. That's another matter entirely.

What I'm referring to is your assertion that the prophetic material in the Bible was written after the fact. You never backed that assertion, although your argument that the Bible cannot be prophetic was based (at least in part) on it. As such, it must be treated as an assumption, and not fact, until such time as you present your evidence (which has obviously convinced you).

"Proving" the prophetic nature of the Bible is a matter of determining the date of its writing and comparing the written account to the actual event. As such, it is dependent on the timeline debate. My observation is that you have not presented proof for your argument regarding the timeline aspect of this debate.

Is that all clear?

Again, my point was that some people keep posting that stuff about my Posts that don't cite evidence, while ignoring any Posts made by anyone else that do the same thing mine do.

I think that's because you do such an adequate job of pointing out their Posts yourself.

[ March 11, 2003, 00:44: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Krsqk:
[QB]

"Proving" the prophetic nature of the Bible is a matter of determining the date of its writing and comparing the written account to the actual event. As such, it is dependent on the timeline debate. My observation is that you have not presented proof for your argument regarding the timeline aspect of this debate.

Is that all clear?
[QB]

Nope. I have admitidly only followed these science vs releigon threads loosly but I have yet to see a single case were a proponent of the prophetic bible has given a single example from the bible. Can't anyone give an reference and the historical event it predicts? I get the impression that those claiming the bible predicts future events think it will become true if they repeat it a hundred times.

[Fyron]

I do not have ready access to proof of the relative timeline, so I can not post it.

Be careful when you use the word "written", cause some people will go off on a tangent about oral tradition at the mention of writing something down, even though you may not have meant the literal date of when it was put to paper.

Nope. I have admitidly only followed these science vs releigon threads loosly but I have yet to see a single case were a proponent of the prophetic bible has given a single example from the bible. Can't anyone give an reference and the historical event it predicts? I get the impression that those claiming the bible predicts future events think it will become true if they repeat it a hundred times.

Actually, Rags did say that the Bible predicted the fall of Babylon and Assyria, though that is all he said about it. He gave no book references or anything like that, and he gave no evidence that the relevenat book of the Bible was actually written/composed/created before those events took place. He made a nice argument from authority though.

[ March 11, 2003, 01:03: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Puke]

now driving this OT thread OT from its original topic, I have recently been made aware that the famed Grace Cathedral on top of Nob Hill in San Francisco contains a Starbucks franchise.

merchants hocking their wears in the temple? didnt JC throw a fit about that, and kick over a few pop-stands? I dont care if your religious or not, I think this is far more hypocritical and offensive than the recent sex scandals in the church, because its so overt.

[Narrew]

Originally posted by Rigelian:
or (much worse) Von Daniken plug here I hope?

Haha, I never heard of this guy so did a search to see what he thinks, and he seems a loonie, but I do like watching Stargate SG1, you think that is based on the truth? (I mean, its on TV, so it must be true J/K).

[Narrew]

Originally posted by Puke:

merchants hocking their wears in the temple? didnt JC throw a fit about that, and kick over a few pop-stands? I dont care if your religious or not, I think this is far more hypocritical and offensive than the recent sex scandals in the church, because its so overt.

Rigelian mentioned about being dragged kicking and screaming into reforming or evolving towards a truer reflection of New-Testament values, well the sex scandal is such a sick thing it just proves how hypocritical the Cathloic church truly is, if they could have swept if under the carpet (and they tried very hard to do just that) they would have. So a Starbucks in there? Why should that supprise or offend you? It is not about religion any more, it is about money, power and control. If it wasnt, birth control (as an example) would be encouraged by the Church to protect against STDs, over population and unwanted children, but no... that would cut into their money, even if it was the "right" thing to do.

If JC were here today (not debating if he exicts or not) I doubt that the Coffee shop would be the first thing on his list, maybe turning the corrupt leadership into pillar of salts perhaps.