OT: computers - Page 2

Fyron · #11 April 2nd, 2003, 01:57 AM

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That is not the issue we are talking about, that is a cooling issue that you need to adapt to the individual processor.
An intel processor has different fan mounts than an AMD.
What we are talking about is prestanda. Ofcourse you have to adapt the cooling to the heat, that is obvious. There are millions of AMD processors running perfectly!

The issue I was talking about is very relevant to building your own PC, which we were indeed talking about.

I never said anything even remotely related to AMDs not being able to work. Nothing in my post even comes close to such a statement.

Ruatha · #12 April 2nd, 2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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That is not the issue we are talking about, that is a cooling issue that you need to adapt to the individual processor.
An intel processor has different fan mounts than an AMD.
What we are talking about is prestanda. Ofcourse you have to adapt the cooling to the heat, that is obvious. There are millions of AMD processors running perfectly!

The issue I was talking about is very relevant to building your own PC, which we were indeed talking about.

I never said anything even remotely related to AMDs not being able to work. Nothing in my post even comes close to such a statement.

Then you should also mention that it aswell draw more power and so costs more in the long run.
And the issue about thermal safety features built into the processors.
And ofcourse the difference in the chipsets (a real issue), what about rambus memory? Colour of the chips? status? etc etc.

When someone asks what processor should I get they usually means wich processor gives me best prestanda.
The one starting this thread talked about brand computers and weren't specifically talking about putting his own computer together, quite the opposite. All brand computers come equipped with ample cooling devices.
You've got to differ between what is an issue and what is showing off.

Fyron, try someting new:
Don't get the Last post in an argument/discussion! Anxiety?

(Sorry if I'm ranting but its 02.30 in the night, I'm tired and aren't allowed to go to sleep, work related)

[ April 02, 2003, 00:27: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Dawn Falcon · #13 April 2nd, 2003, 03:23 AM

AMD have a very good and detailed guide to installing Athlon processors downloadable from their website. VERY good.

Basically, read that and make sure you get an approved fan. Get a nForce 2 or KT-333 or KT-400 chipset motherboard. Make sure you have a 350+ Watt PSU.

That solves the AMD "problem".

If you're going branded, can't really help unless you're a UKer. The companies I'd recomend are all UK-only

[ April 02, 2003, 01:25: Message edited by: Dawn Falcon ]

Thermodyne · #14 April 2nd, 2003, 03:30 AM

Based on the first post, I think he needs a boxed computer. This means he should buy the
fasted Dell that he can afford. He was an OC�er, he would not have made the post. Building
your own, results in more speed for buck spent. But can be a problem for someone that is not
up to speed on trouble shooting problems.

Thermodyne · #15 April 2nd, 2003, 03:38 AM

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Originally posted by rextorres:

If you're adventurous you can get an AMD cpu because they are easier to overclock so you can get more bang for your buck.

A good place start to get information is

http://www.tomshardware.com

BULL CRAP. OC'ing a Rdram P4 is as easy as it gets. Kick the FSB up and let her rip. No
memory timings to work out, and no split bus multipliers to trip you up.

And Tom�s is the laughing stock of the PC forum world. He switches sides faster than
processors go obsolete. Try this place if you want to get some fair answers.
http://www.sharkyforums.com/

Dawn Falcon · #16 April 2nd, 2003, 03:53 AM

Heh...

I'd recomend [H]ard OCP and Annandtech over Toms or SE.

The SE forums used to be a pit when I posted there, although admitedly that was some time ago.

atari_eric · #17 April 2nd, 2003, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by Ruatha:

When someone asks what processor should I get they usually means wich processor gives me best prestanda.

Prestanda?

Huh? Can you tell me what this means? It's not at M-W.com, a dictionary site...

tesco samoa · #18 April 2nd, 2003, 05:34 AM

What can you bring over from your old pc..... and what is your budget.

I do highly recommend that you get a nvida 2 chip set and a nice amd chip...

Remember it is more important to get the best motherboard money can by than the best cpu as you can always do a cheap upgrade in the cpu in a year or 3 when the best out now is dirt cheap in a few years.

But for Bang for the BUck your not going to beat a nvida 2 chipset with amd. 333mhz ram etc...

Post what you got and what you can afford..

If you want to take it off line send me a pm... I will gladly help out and send you some links... I have many good ones at work... which is not where i am at now...

Ruatha · #19 April 2nd, 2003, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by atari_eric:

quote:
Originally posted by Ruatha:

When someone asks what processor should I get they usually means wich processor gives me best prestanda.

Prestanda? Huh? Can you tell me what this means? It's not at M-W.com, a dictionary site...

Sorry, thought that was the english word.
An easy and in this case accurate translation would be: "How fast does programs run on it."

Instar · #20 April 2nd, 2003, 06:41 AM

Here is what you do (take it from me, I am a computer programmer!! Woot):
Go to www.tomshardware.com
Read some reviews, find a "do it yourself" page. You can really learn a lot in a short amount of time.
Next, go to www.newegg.com they are the best retailer of parts I have ever known.
Order parts.
Build computer.
I have had great success with the following companies' parts:
For motherBoards, MSI, I have heard that Gigabyte is good, couple others I cannot remember. Just make sure the processor socket on the motherboard is the same as the processor you want, and that the RAM sockets is the same kind as you are going to buy too. If you want extra USB ports, motherBoards can have them.
For processors, I am a fan of Intel myself, but AMDs are good too. I just rather get Intels, because they are usually the best supported and the fastest.
Crucial, Kingston, and I have heard that OCZ are all good brands of RAM (I have heard horror stories about dirt cheap RAM, so you cannot trust the low bidder)
Video cards is pretty much how much you want to spend. Top of the line is NVidia FX, very expensive and very loud. Tomshardware has excellent comparison charts.
For a sound card, I only buy Creative. There really is not much competition. Get an Audigy2 and you will have top notch quality (at a high price, depending on which model)
I prefer Plextor CD-RWs, and I would wait on getting a DVD-RW drive. They are expensive and there is 2 standards that need sorted out first.
I should go into business by making custom PCs. Itd be fun.

Edit: I forgot about powersupplies. Basically, more is good, and the most you'll ever need is maybe 350 to 400W, but there are many cheapo brands out there. I think Chieftec and Antec are good brands, but I cannot remember.

[ April 02, 2003, 04:46: Message edited by: Instar ]