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[eddieballgame]

It strikes me, by the "tone" of these Posts pertaining to MOO3, there are going to be some dissappointed people if & when this program's faults have been addressed & "fixed" by the soon to come patch. Again, I am hopefull & feel there is not a lot to repair to make MOO3 a classic.
This is of course, my opinion.

Oh, & it does not happen with every planet.
(not an opinion)

[ May 16, 2003, 02:08: Message edited by: eddieballgame ]

[Master Belisarius]

Originally posted by eddieballgame:
It strikes me, by the "tone" of these Posts pertaining to MOO3

IMHO, many people was waiting 4 years for Moo2.5, but Moo3 is not. I can't blame them.
The problem that makes angry so many people, (my opinion, of course) is that in theory Moo3 was the next step in the saga... but have a very different approach compared with the previous 2 games.

Not everybody like the same kind of games (for sure!). I can bet that most of the people that liked Dune (the old RPG game), doesn't liked Dune2 (the venerable RTS)!!!
Then IMHO, think would have been more sincere that instead the MOO3 name, the game would have been named "The Galaxy Simulator", or something like that, but of course that the MOO3 name can make more profit.

I can't eat the argument that Moo3 has a "High Climb" that need to be climbed to enjoy the game... I have played strategy games for more than 20 years, and think that if a game is really good, you don't need to climb anything more than a little hill to enjoy it.

I hate the game? Nope. But doubt that some day I would really like it (even with patches).
Most the time, I discovered myself only doing clicks over the Next Turn button, and only moving a fleet here and there... and even letting the AI solve the battles, because the tactical combat is in my opinion (again) one of the worst tactical engines that I knew.
I don't liked so much the SE4 tactical combat, or the tactical combat in IG2, but really dislike the tactical combat in MOO3 (tiny ships, can't zoom, can't pause, confuse orders, etc). Even in very old games like Rebellion, Pax Imperia 2 or Ascendancy, the RT combats were a lot better (IMHO!).

Oh well, thanks God I'm not in the MOO3 forum... somebody would have named me a Troll.

[Krsqk]

Grant it, for most "games" it is nice to get immediate feedback on decisions & choices one has made. I think MOO3 has made an "attempt" at trying to emulate "real life" experiences.

Yes, but "real life" leaders have a substantial staff to do their research for them. I'm not about to hire people to help me play a game.

[eddieballgame]

I have never played MOO1 but from what I have read it is more like MOO3 than MOO2. What little I have played of MOO2 pales in detail of what MOO3 has to offer. ( opinion )
Certainly not as much to do in the micromanagement area. ( opinion ) Agreed, the RTS combat has mixed reviews, some hate it, like it, & really like it. For me letting the computer generate the result of the ship to ship battles is ok, particularly in Online multiplay. Though the troop invasions are alot of "fun" to handle oneself. You can "zoom" the ships as well as set up time controls. There has also been offered other ship graphic files, for your gaming pleasure. From what I have read, the consensus is the tactical ship battles are superior to MOO2, & more realistic.
I am glad I was not a part of the "can't wait for MOO2.5 crowd" as I probably would not have taken the time to find out just how good MOO3 is & will be. ( opinion, of course )
I am in the process of learning to play SEIV.
Looks like a very good & detailed ( what I like ) program. How is the "hotseat" mode? I really like multiplay. Thank you

[ May 16, 2003, 04:33: Message edited by: eddieballgame ]

[Fyron]

MOO3 is almost nothing like either MOO1 or MOO2.

I am glad I was not a part of the "can't wait for MOO2.5 crowd" as I probably would not have taken the time to find out just how good MOO3 is & will be.

I was in the "waiting for MOO3 crowd but instead found other game 3". MOO3 is not deserving to be entitled Master of Orion, for it is not in any way comparable to the grandness that was the previous games of the series.

[ May 16, 2003, 04:50: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[snakeye]

I was expecting MOO3 to be with more deapth than MOO1&2 in a way similar to SEIV. I was really impressed when i saw what you can do with SEIV (mines, sats, bases, map manipulation, ship design that kicks butt!) and was waiting for that on MOO3 plus MORE since it was a later released game. Then i realised my error. Should have been waiting for SEV NOT MOO3. DOH!

SEIV, has the most depth that i have seen! In all sections! I love the project-orientated approach for research and espionage! WHY OH WHY DO MY SPIES DIE????? (MOO3) WHATS THE POINT!? "Eh good evening 007, why dont you take a walk to *country* and see what you can *STEAL-DESTROY-SLOW_DOWN*?" Is this espionage??? So vague? And match the project-orientaited research of SEIV with: "Ehh...hmmm today we will be researching..eh..economics...yeah thats it!! Go on everybody....fire away ideas!"

And dont even start me on the game design! When i unload my troops on a planet, i get a remainder of ALIENS: " EXPRESS ELEVATOR TO HELL:GOING DOWN! (but not up again!OH NO! either stay there on that planet boys or GO BACK TO RESERVES!" I dont think this game was build for realism or SP gameplay in mind. Was build for mindless, fast MP action: build fleet, sent fleet, "AH CRAP! HE WAS MISSILES! BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" THE END!

NO THANK U! STICKING WITH MY BORG ON SEIV! >VULCANS HAVE JUST BEEN ASSIMILATED! RESISTANCE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN....FUTILE!<

[ May 16, 2003, 13:52: Message edited by: snakeye ]

[Roanon]

I'm surprised that there is soo much faith in the "soon" to come patch for MOO3. Well true fanatics have faith in anything, I can understand that.
Thinking that a SINGLE patch will fix this plethora of bugs and designfaults is VERY naive. Due to time constraints, testing for this patch will be even worse than for the original game. The more changes are done simulaneously and without good testing, the more problems will arise. My personal guess is that for every 3 bugs fixed, there will be one new popping up. And this is a conservative estimation.
Recommendation: do NOT buy this game until after this omnious patch is really available "soon"(TM) and has gotten the first feedbacks. Right now, the so-called MOO3 is one of the worst games I know (personal opionon of course).