OT: Civ3 rant from MoO3 v GalCiv topic

[Fyron]

As for Stealth, I think it was either "on" or "off" and then had sperate values for likely hood of detecting it... not sure, but Fyron will correct me on it later.

I stopped playing the game long before I ever developed stealth technology. It was too awful to play that long...

[Shadarr]

I didn't realize Brian Reynolds left before Civ 3. That explains a lot. My main problem with it wasn't anything specific, I just seemed to get bogged down in the later stages, and I would lose interest. Not like Alpha Centaur where by the late game I would be rolling over people with my deathspheres and planet-bustering entire continents off the map.

[Fyron]

Here is another problem with Civ3: Bombardment. How realistic is it that 30 bomber units (which would be 30 bomber wings) bombing a size 20 city with 10 defenders only manage to do 1 point of damage to a single unit, and nothing else? Keep in mind that these defenders are musketmen. In the real world, that level of bombardment would be enough to reduce Mexico City, New York, Beijing, Tokyo, or any other huge city with no air defense (as the cities I was bombarding had no units capable of fighting bombers) to rubble in no time flat.

[Cyrien]

My favorite part was when I engaged in nuclear warfare and used a nuke against a stack of 20 cavalry and the nuke killed about 5 of them.

Oh joy.

[Shadarr]

How realistic is it that 30 bomber units (which would be 30 bomber wings) bombing a size 20 city with 10 defenders only manage to do 1 point of damage to a single unit, and nothing else?

Too true. With that kind of firepower, you ought to be able to recreate the bombing of Dresden.

Plus the whole culture thing is stupid. Supposedly people are influenced by my culture, yet all the nations are so similar that everyone's culture is effectively the same. Are cities really going to defect from one democracy to another? It would've been really cool if there were actual cultures in the game which were different without being inferior. Maybe a techno-warrior society like the clans in Battletech, or a megacorporation like in Shadowrun. Instead, culture is just another number you have to increase.

The main flaw in Civ, though, is that it isn't fun. When I finish a game of SEIV I immediately start a new one. When I finish a game of Civ 3, if I ever have, I shelve the game for a couple months.

[Cyrien]

heh. That might explain why I played it longer than Fyron. I heavily modded the game so that bombers and the like where effective.

What finally killed it for me where the problems that couldn't be modded away.

[Fyron]

If a game needs extensive modding to be fun, then it isn't a very good game at all.