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May 6th, 2003, 12:12 AM
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Re: Firefly (The Series)...POLL
My biggest gripe with Enterprise isn't the lack of crewmember deaths. It's the overly moralistic tone. Star Fleet has always had this pie in the sky prime directive which sounds all good on paper, but never is quite practical out on the frontlines where you realize those cultures you have to let die because of your principles are living breathing people. The biggest tension in Trek has always been watching Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway struggle with the inner conflict between doing the right thing and doing what their orders tell them. It's not always clean. There are negative repurcussions from making choices. But they make them and deal with it.
Archer is the opposite. He isn't even officially bound by the Prime Directive because it hasn't been written yet, and already he's living by it more strictly than any Trek Captain before. This latest episode with the tri-gender race and their enslaved concubines that were treated as chattel and kept purposly ignorant is a perfect example.
Kirk or Picard would have never sent the slave back without at least giving the aliens a good dose of guilt for their archaic behaivior. More likely they'd have found a way to solve the situation, inter-empire relations be damned. Instead Archer hands her over, appologizing for the interferance. And then reads Trip the riot act for having compassion and treating the slave with respect. Disgusting.
Of course this didn't start with Enterprise. That aweful Insurection movie set the tone I think.
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May 6th, 2003, 02:12 AM
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Re: Firefly (The Series)...POLL
Hrm, I've only seen a few episodes (but they included several where there should have been deaths), so i had figured that I just was catching all the ones with that tone. Sometimes I agree with Archer, but most of the time, I think that the whole Prime Directive (especially since its not written!) is kinda stupid.
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poor wash. still no votes.
Why don't more people think River is cool?!
[ May 06, 2003, 01:14: Message edited by: Gwaihir ]
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May 6th, 2003, 04:47 AM
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Re: Firefly (The Series)...POLL
I know that the series is being advertised over here in the UK on the Sci Fi channel.
You never know maybe they'll pick it up and make more episodes.
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May 6th, 2003, 05:43 AM
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That would be very spiffy!
Write your congressman! (oh, i guess its MP.) (yeah, so that's a silly idea. but thats what i'm good at!  )
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May 7th, 2003, 01:03 AM
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Re: Firefly (The Series)...POLL
Quote:
Originally posted by geoschmo:
Of course this didn't start with Enterprise. That aweful Insurection movie set the tone I think.
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Oh don't get me started with Insurrection. The biggest plot hole that I have ever seen is in that movie. When the Enterprise entered the system they already were getting the special effect from the planet and they were not that close yet. (remember the comment about Riker's beard?) So if the effects extended into space why bother trying to move the Alien population? Just place a few space stations in orbit and you get all the good effect and you don't have to violate the Prime Directive.
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May 6th, 2003, 04:21 PM
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Re: Firefly (The Series)...POLL
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Originally posted by Kirok:
I know that the series is being advertised over here in the UK on the Sci Fi channel.
You never know maybe they'll pick it up and make more episodes.
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Frankly, I'd be surprised. My wife was a serious follower on Firefly's forum. It seems the set for Firefly was very expensive and was due to be dismantled by a particular date if Fox didn't change their mind. That date has come and gone and the contract option expired. So...it seems very unlikely.
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May 6th, 2003, 04:23 PM
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Re: Firefly (The Series)...POLL
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edit:
poor wash. still no votes.
Why don't more people think River is cool?!
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LOL...guess one could say he washed out. (remind me to slap myself later!)
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