"Real" ringworlds

[dogscoff]

Axes imply a scale, since weve agreed you cant scale ro measure intelligence. The graph would not have axes, or values. Ha! Integrate that!

Well I was trying to imply that a single scale to measure intelligence wouldn't do- that intelligence is not just one single value but a the combination of many different attributes. My arbitrary value of 6 is probably a little mean.

[Aloofi]

That theory about evolution have never convinced me.
The fact that life seems to evolve doesn't mean that we come from an ameba.
And all those bones are doubtfull at best, fraudulents at worst.
Anyway, to tell the truth, I will never belive in evolution not just because of all the inconsistence I see, but because Evolution is the official theory of the whole world, and official theories are official because they serve to someone interests, and since I'm not that someone, then its very likely that theory benefits someone that its interested in keeping me on the dark, whatever that dark may be.

Humm...... I guess I'm having a bad day today. All 4 post that I have posted today are anti-corporations and full of grammatical errors.....

[Edit] What did I edit?

[ May 15, 2003, 16:43: Message edited by: Aloofi ]

[Loser]

Originally posted by Aloofi:
... and official theories are official because they serve to someone interests...

Buddy, you're starting to sound paranoid.

I don't think multi-cellular life would have come from amoebas. An amoeba has no reason to take the trouble needed to go multi-cellular, no present-day eukaryotes do really.

The life that would have taken a multi-cellular approach was probably something we don't have anymore. It likely took the collective approach to meet a certain goal, and having met that goal better with a multi-celled form, drove all its single-celled ancestors out of that niche. Now the only single-celled life left are those that fill a niche in which multi-cellular life simply can't compete.

That said...

Science does not serve any one man. Popularised pseudo-science certainly can, but true science serves only humanity as a whole.

[Fyron]

That sounds troublingly circular, since Evolution was formed specifically to explain our existence.

The theory of evolution starts off with "in the present day...". The theory of evolution says nothing about the beginning of life. There are many other theories on that, but evolution itself quite clearly does not cover it.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

no, i'm saying that a more complex piece of tin won't become intelligent. it just doesn't compute for me. so, if you take my belief that evolution didn't make me, then evelution couldn't have made me, therefore there's big hole in evelution. which states that our development is random.

[Phoenix-D]

"no, i'm saying that a more complex piece of tin won't become intelligent. it just doesn't compute for me. so, if you take my belief that evolution didn't make me, then evelution couldn't have made me, therefore there's big hole in evelution. which states that our development is random."

I'll work backwards here. Evolution isn't always random. Mutations and to a certain extent genetic drift can be; natural selection is definitely not. To a certain extent it is- who happens to be in the path of the firestorm when it starts, who walks under the tree limb when it falls- but in most cases it isn't.

Did evolution make you? Nope. Wrong level again. Your parents made you. I would aruge that the human species is halfway out of the evolutionary process by now, because of modern medicine.

A more complex piece of tin will not become intelligent- intelligence is something limited to living systems, which a piece of tin is not. But a piece of tin CAN be made into something more complex that an uneducated person might not expect.

It works the same way with intelligence. Once you've got a brain- which is required to get above a certain level of complexity- it becomes a test. Does adding brain power increase survival or reproduction? If yes, the species's intelligence will probably increase. If not, it won't.

I agree with Dogscoff that intelligence is not a on/off switch, nor is there one type.

[Fyron]

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
no, i'm saying that a more complex piece of tin won't become intelligent. it just doesn't compute for me. so, if you take my belief that evolution didn't make me, then evelution couldn't have made me, therefore there's big hole in evelution. which states that our development is random.

Umm... your belief that it is wrong in no way shows that there is a big hole in it. All it shows is that there is a distinct close-mindedness about your thinking and a lack of willingness to accept that you just might not be right.

And besides, evolution didn't make you. It is not some factory pumping people out.