Copywrite laws are they to vague?

[PvK]

It's yet another power grab by corporations motivated entirely by greed, and an attack on freedom of expression, in my opinion.

As long as you aren't selling, it shouldn't be illegal. If that's not the law, then the law should be unconstitutional.

PvK

[Atrocities]

I got a letter regarding violating Paramounts Copyright a long time ago and my old Angel Fire site was shut down.

Now I make my own ships. When I followed up on the letter I recieved I was informed that it did not come from Paramount, and that as far as Paramount was concerned, fan sites that do not profit from copyrighted materials based upon Star Trek are of no concern to them. They in fact wished me luck on my web site. Paramount understands that if not for the fans who dedicate literally thousands of hours on fan based projects, large companies like Marvel and Paramount wouldn't have the fan base they currently enjoy.

I believe Kwok was aware of this so he too wanted to use all original works in his mod just to avoid problems.

[ June 18, 2003, 20:16: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

[Jack Simth]

Atrocities & Rojero:
The reason companies go after copyright violations so ruthlessly is so that they can keep having exclusive control when it comes to the paid market. If they don't go after small violations when it comes to their attention, then a clever person making a larger violation has a form of precedent when it comes to court, which can cause them to win the case, despite the fact that the large violation is selling while the small ones weren't.

In order to stop such things from happening, all you need to do is write a (certified) letter to the company holding copyright explaining your non-profit intent and asking permission, and wait for their response. However, you do need to keep the response in a safety deposit box somewhere, as the companies contract out defense of their copyrights, and the company doesn't always totally inform their sub-contractors. Once you have permission in writing, you are licensed, and the precedent issue goes away for the company.

PvK:
It can hurt a business severly if someone is freely distributing stuff that is closely related to the product the business is selling. That is actually part of the reason for patent and copyright laws; it helps protect the little businesses. Suppose, for instance, that company X produces a new (copyrighted/patented) software algorythm that allows an OS to intelligently adapt to a new situation invisibly. Now, suppose Microsoft feels threatened by this, steals the algorythm, and starts distributing it free of charge. Microsoft is big, and can absorb the loss. X is not, and can't compete. Once X goes out of business, Microsoft can buy and use or suppress the algorythm. Copyright and patent law helps to prevent this. It used to be that patents expired after 20 years and copyrights after 75 - but I have heard that has changed recently.

As for unconstitutional: The constitution actually makes specific allowance for copyrights and patents:

From The United States Constitution, Article 1, section 8(Powers vested in Congress):
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inverntors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

Further, the freedom of expression you refer to isn't directly in the constitution - that is an interpertaition based on the first amendment:

First amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It refers to freedom of speech and the press, not images et cetera; not expression.

[ June 18, 2003, 21:21: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Erax]

What most people do not understand is that it is illegal to use someone else's intellectual property without permission, even if you do not make a profit from it.

This is what I would call a typical unenforceable law - fans can reproduce and distribute corporate IP an order of magnitude faster than the corporate lawyers can track them and shut them down. Paramount, for one, seems to understand this. If other corporations don't, well, they have the law on their side. Shut down your site and move on, they probably won't keep after you if you stop distributing their IP.

If, on the other hand, you were making a profit off their IP, then you are a full-fledged IP pirate and things could get ugly. So don't.

[Jack Simth]

Erax: Only one order of magnitude? I thought it was two or three...

[ June 18, 2003, 21:24: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Erax]

Yes, it might be two or three now that you mention it. Information travels at the speed of light, after all.

[Atrocities]

It can hurt a business severly if someone is freely distributing stuff that is closely related to the product the business is selling. That is actually part of the reason for patent and copyright laws; it helps protect the little businesses. Suppose, for instance, that company X produces a new (copyrighted/patented) software algorythm that allows an OS to intelligently adapt to a new situation invisibly. Now, suppose Microsoft feels threatened by this, steals the algorythm, and starts distributing it free of charge. Microsoft is big, and can absorb the loss. X is not, and can't compete. Once X goes out of business, Microsoft can buy and use or suppress the algorythm. Copyright and patent law helps to prevent this. It used to be that patents expired after 20 years and copyrights after 75 - but I have heard that has changed recently.

Oh ya like this has ever happened.