SE4, MOO3, and HOMM4

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I was not ducking responsibility, I was clarifying my statement. Am I not allowed to do that? I was not picking on Eddie, I was picking on MOO3 and QS. My statement should probably have stated that explicitly, but I was in a rush, so... sh*t happens.

Boy... I sure am starting to sound like a broken record.

So ... are you saying it was actually an attempt at an apology? You may not have meant to, but you were picking on him.

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
That only happens when certain people refuse to accept my clarifications of less than optimally worded statements. When it is a situation in which I was wrong and not that I just worded something poorly, I always admit that I was wrong.

You rarely say you are clarifying something you said earlier; you just contradict the person, saying you never said that (or similar, especially in instances when referring to a piece of information that was clearly implied (clearly as used in this instance: more than one person sees the implication of the statement)). For instance, in this thread, when Mephisto told you to stop picking on Eddie you just said:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
I wasn't picking on him, just MOO3 and QS.

You don't say you are clairifying a post; you don't say you didn't mean to come off the way you sounded; you just outright contradicted him, as though his observations aren't valid. However, it now appears that you assume everyone knows that you are clairifying an earlier post, when there isn't much in the your post to indicate that.

Sometimes you simply stop responding to portions of things; neither arguing against nor conceeding the point, moving on to other things which were mentioned instead. For example, something I have mentioned that you seem to have dropped:

Originally posted by Jack Simth:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
The presence or lack of direct quotes in a post is irrelevant. It is quite common to post implied opinions after a quote.

Whie I suppose my wording when I said

Originally posted by Jack Simth:
In your case, you were quoting him and directly contradicting, which is a different scenerio from stating your opinion on the subject at hand, as Baron Munchausen was doing.

may have been a bit poor, a direct quote is irrelevant; the relevancy comes from referring to another's post and contradicting that outright.

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Besides, there is more than just the one option of one of us being a clone of the other; there's also the possibility that two different people just happen to find some enjoyment from similar things; twins separated before memory can form; and possibly a few others I can't think of at the moment.

But those options are no fun!

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Says you!

[ June 23, 2003, 05:44: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Fyron]

You are reading too deeply into things Jack...

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
You are reading too deeply into things Jack...

You're avoiding my points, Fyron.

[ June 23, 2003, 08:25: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Jack Simth]

Note: Smilies disabled so this would post.

Originally posted by dumbluck:
Just for clarification, how many times has this occured? Can ANYBODY recall an instance when Fyron admitted error?

The closest I've seen him come was in the About BOB thread:

Originally posted by Andres:
Here's Bob readme. The name is explained there.

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Bureacracy of Borealis - No Ai Version

By TerranC

Images made and rendered by DoGA 3

Shield Pic made by Suicide Junkie

Missile pics taken from Original Se4 races (made by Malfador Machinations)

Race Portraits made by Dogscoff

Planet Bob (AKA New Earth), Kodos

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Originally posted by TerranC:
That name metioned below is just an empire name I created in order to meet the acronym. The acronym itself has a deeper meaning

You haven't found it yet.

*TC laughs a devilish chuckle*

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by TerranC:
That name metioned below is just an empire name I created in order to meet the acronym. The acronym itself has a deeper meaning

You haven't found it yet.

*TC laughs a devilish chuckle*

Did you see Andres' post right before yours?

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Since he refers to it directly, I'd say yes, yes he has.

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Since he refers to it directly, I'd say yes, yes he has.

Hmm... well... umm... look over there! Its a distraction! *runs away*

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He didn't actually admit it, even though there wasn't a way out of it. (Notes: intervening Posts removed to make it clearer; ordered as the printer-friendly view would make it.)

I did a search for Fyron's member number (1794) in the SEIV forum for "I'm wrong" and got two hits - neither of which was Fyron admitting he was wrong; they were both him quoting someone else. Further, "I'm" and "wrong" weren't connected; they didn't constitute a phrase.

So, I did a search for Fyron's member number in the SEIV forum again for "I am wrong" and got sixteen hits. The sixth (in the Converting Domed to No-Domed thread) resulted in this post:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
It is not that I am wrong, it is that I have out-dated information.

It seems as if SE4 is now converting atmospheres to that breathed by the dominant race on the planet. When did this change take place?

Again, he doesn't admit he is wrong; he claims outdated information instead.

Another hit in the Revamping SEIV Ship Hull Sizes & Features thread yielded:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

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Interesting. Personaly I think that the accuracy mount should weigh the same as the LR mount, similar principles involved just different application.

And what would you think they should weigh? 125 or 150?

Concealed mount seems a little Uber. Tonnage 25%, structure 100%, and damage 90%? That is one hell of a damage ratio you're offering, and they can double as internal armour.

Hmm... I may have reduced the wrong trait. The hit points are supposed to be 25%, not the space taken. The concealed weapon should take normal space.

For the pre-fire bays, how are they working? have they tested out all right? I remember the problems with adjusting seeher range through mounts (it doesn't actually affect the characteristics of the seeker) but will the seeker launch even though it will wink out of existence?

They are designed against missile dancers and such. You can fire the seekers when they are out of range. The seekers move in, and hopefully hit them when they come in range to fire at you. If they are out of range when the seeker arrives at its max range (regardless of the mount), the seeker just disappears. No big loss, fire more! They would be more useful on Bases, which can't move to combat the missile dancing.

Edit: P.S. I noticed that you aren't intending for the AI to use any of the special mounts. Are you planning to keep it that way? If not, how are you planning to balance it?

I am not entirely sure. I might have them use the Heavy Mount because they can not react dynamically to a player using lots of emmissive or crystalline armor. The Heavy Mount is designed to combat such ships.

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The portion of interest: "Hmm... I may have reduced the wrong trait."
It's about something he specifically did, and the most he will admit to is "May have" (the tenth hit on the search, by the way)

In none of the 16 hits on that search is Fyron saying "I am wrong." In the ones I don't mention here, he is saying that someone else is wrong, or "that is wrong" or he's quoting someone that uses the word "wrong" et cetera. It appears to be a sentence that hasn't passed his fingers in the SEIV forum.

[ June 23, 2003, 10:08: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

[Fyron]

Jack, this is starting to go too far and is devolving into character assassination. I ask you to delete your previous post. If you refuse, then I ask a moderator to delete it (and then this one if a moderator deletes Jack's post).

[ June 23, 2003, 10:15: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

[Jack Simth]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Jack, this is starting to go too far and is devolving into character assassination. I ask you to delete your previous post. If you refuse, then I ask a moderator to delete it (and then this one if a moderator deletes Jack's post).

How is it character assasination? You said:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
When it is a situation in which I was wrong and not that I just worded something poorly, I always admit that I was wrong.

All I did was dig up some of your old Posts where that wasn't the case. Anyone could repeat the search.

[Roanon]

Its not entirely untrue that you have a problem with apologies or admitting you're wrong Fyron And censorship is not the correct way to deal with displeasing informations.

But you BOTH should stop it, right here. Before it gets worse.

[ June 23, 2003, 10:50: Message edited by: Roanon ]