Geo: Take a look

Jack Simth · #1 July 3rd, 2003, 01:31 AM

Just make a CD backup. If the site gets demolished, no biggie - you can blank everything and restore from backup; you're down for a day, tops. For added safety, set the password to a bunch of random numbers and letters (which you write down!); random numbers & letters aren't subject to dictionary attacks, so the site will be a little safer.

Fyron · #2 July 3rd, 2003, 02:21 AM

If someone with the talent really wanted to, he/she could take over about 90% of the web servers on the planet in about 5 minutes... security is not really very good.

Arkcon · #3 July 3rd, 2003, 04:46 AM

Yeah, everyone, myself included tends to whine about exploits/bugs/openings in the Microsoft OS. But someone once told me that the real lack of security is in the UNIX backbone of major systems. They gave me some examples, and all I can say is

Administrators just don't put the effort they should in security, and the various UNIX implemetations just aren't designed to be secure from the ground up.

Kamog · #4 July 3rd, 2003, 06:55 AM

90% of the web servers on the planet in 5 minutes? That's a lot of servers! Or do you mean 5 minutes to take over one of them?

Atrocities · #5 July 3rd, 2003, 07:27 AM

As I read this thread my OS is updating automatically with new security software. Funny, someone seems to actually be taking this seriously.

I remember about 10 years ago there was a news warning NOT TO FLASH your head lights at cars that were driving without there lights on after dark because they were gang bangers. The warning stated that if you flashed the gang bangers they would follow you and shoot at you.

You know what a bunch of people did? Yup you guessed it, many dumb asses went out and drove with their lights off just to be capital A-one dicks. While others actually turned and followed cars after being flashed and some people, the redneck extremists, grabbed guns and hailed this as a war and went out looking for the gang bangers. But most did what I did and just drove normally without fear. If the news story was true, and I sincerely doubt it was, then it was a news hoax or a regular hoax. Even if it were true and there were dumb *** gang bangers out to do people harm, the chances of it happening to me or any one I knew were slim and falling.

Even if one of those gang bangers tried to shoot at one of my friends, they would have lost their lives for most of my friends, lawful people all them, pack heat and are expert shots.

I would put very little into this story. IF anything happens its because a bunch of dumb Fu** kid hackers didn't get the message that it was a hoax and figured they just didn't get the hacker memo on the Sunday circle hack. People are really dumb at times to believe what they see on TV.

If I were to send a letter to a major news organization stating that I was a hacker and my hacker minions and me are going to hack the planet on Sunday, they would run the story. It is all a joke, but the real hackers don't know this so they think "hey, I had better get in this." Thus without being a hacker I have just started a hacker event.

Using he media against itself is as easy as making stupid people do stupid things.

[ July 03, 2003, 06:29: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

Loser · #6 July 3rd, 2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arkcon:
Yeah, everyone, myself included tends to whine about exploits/bugs/openings in the Microsoft OS. But someone once told me that the real lack of security is in the UNIX backbone of major systems. They gave me some examples, and all I can say is Administrators just don't put the effort they should in security, and the various UNIX implemetations just aren't designed to be secure from the ground up.

This isn't quite accurate. The problem with Real Operating Systems is that you need Real Skilled People to set them up right. Most flavors of Unix, and most distros of Linux, can be made extraordinarily secure. I believe, Last I heard, that NetBSD was considered the most secure Operating System in existence and I know it runs a great deal, if not most, of the internet.

The problem with MS OSs is that no matter how tight your admin is, no matter how skilled, paranoid, and persistent s/he is, once or twice a year a Big Exploit comes out that completely circumvents all your security.

With Real Operating Systems you can have security, it's just going to cost you. You've got to find a truly qualified individual and pay them to config, patch, update, reconfig, and otherwise fortify it.

[ July 03, 2003, 11:01: Message edited by: Loser ]

Arkcon · #7 July 4th, 2003, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:

I would put very little into this story. IF anything happens its because a bunch of dumb Fu** kid hackers didn't get the message that it was a hoax and figured they just didn't get the hacker memo on the Sunday circle hack. People are really dumb at times to believe what they see on TV.

Yeah, Last night I read at /. what the real issue was. San Francisco newspapers were alleging a major hack from some shadowy group. Now I find out its just a Online contest sort of thing to deface websites.

Now I know it's hard work to repair a damaged website. And a small company can lose revenue if it loses its website even for a few days. But seriously, for one day, Pepsi claims Coke is the choice of the new generation, or the HP website links to pr0n. So what.