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Old July 17th, 2003, 06:30 PM
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... It's bad enough that Hawii is hours behind everyone else in the country...
What exactly is so bad about this? I find it much more cumbersome that almost all the other states use daylight savings time. Now there's an idea from the shallow end of the gene pool...

Slick.

I have never understood people's problem with daylight savings time. It only affects you twice a year after all. But being in a different time zone, that cause problems 24/7, 365.

If I trying to do business with someone in Hawaii and I call them at 9 in the morning, they are still sleeping the lazy bastards. And then they have the audactiy to call me at dinner time and try to do work.

Australia would be even worse. If I needed something done at the Last minute on a friday afternoon they would be all like, "But now? It's the saturday! You want me to work on the weekend?"

It's unatural I tell you. Everyone should be on the same time zone as me so I am not inconveienced. And if they whine all the time about it being dark during the middle of the day, well that's what lightbulbs are for aren't they?

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Now there's an interesting dilemma. It reminds me of the Quebecois 'secession' movement in Canada of the past few decades. If it had succeeded, the 'Maritime' provinces of Canada would have been isolated and probably ended up joining the US. AND... several of Canada's western provincial governments at the time (Alberta and Saskatchewan) had contacted the US State department and asked about the process of joining the US if this happened, so British Columbia would also have been cut off from the 'central' part in Ontario which would probably have led them to join the US within a few years. After that, what happens to the Yukon and NW territories? In other words, if Quebec had succeeded in mustering the political will to break out of Canada it would have shattered and in short order Canada = Ontario and maybe the 'Eskimo' province of Nunavut. Though they'd probably have declared independence by the time B.C. and the Maritimes had joined the US.

At the time I pondered the political ramifications for the US much as you have been discussing the Australia issue. By US political standards most Canadians are outright socialist. Adding a dozen or more 'far left' senators to the US senate would be an incredible earthquake in US politics. Lots of things that conservatives have been just barely staving off would get enacted, like national health care. Yet... it's precisely those 'conservatives' who would be most disadvantaged by this who are the most 'nationalistic' and would be in favor of extending the US anywhere and everywhere they can. It would be really fascinating to see how they would deal with a major movement to add something to the US, whether a province of Canada, a part (or all) of Australia, or perhaps Cuba after Castro (another very real possibility). All of these territories have populations that would be mostly in opposition to them once the 'conservatives' got them into the union. How would they react to this situation?

At present I think this 'Statehood for Australia' movement far less serious than the Quebec secession movement and that was only half serious. The other half was just seeing what they could get out of the Federal government by rattling the bars of their cage. The author is correct that (much like Canada) Australia just doesn't have a very strong positive sense of national identity, so they tend to daydream idly about 'changing' things even if they don't really want to. Being in fact a distinct nation, if not a confident one, they would have many issues with just adopting the US political/legal/cultural world wholesale. So unless there is a major economic collapse or some other situation that would make Australians seek 'rescue' by the big, powerful US I don't think you need to worry about it too much.

It would be kinda cool to have US Interstate highways running all the way from Washington, D.C. to Nome, Alaska with no border crossings, wouldn't it? And maybe we would build a 90-mile suspension bridge to Cuba if they joined? Or a tunnel? Australia would have to be happy with air links, I'm afraid, but we could build a really cool space port or two on the northern side near the equator and have sub-orbital shuttles for quick high-priority transit.

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Old July 17th, 2003, 06:45 PM
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Personally I think the whole issue laughable and is just this historians way to drum up speeking fees and book sales by expoloiting the current anti-american sentiment abroad. His 20% chance in 50 years is patently ludicrous unless as some of you have said there is some global economic or political catastrophe, and noone can predict those sorts of things. Even if it does who's to say Australia will need us? As the nation more hevily dependant on technology and the current economic status quo perhaps we would be seeking to become part of Australia. Either possibility is just as likely, as in neither will happen.
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This has more of a chance of happeneing then Australia becoming part of the US...
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Point A : An overwhelming majority of politicians the world over would be considered 'socialist' if they entered US politics.

Point B : The Australian people won't go for it. That's why it isn't likely to happen.

Point C : But if they do, I'd say it's a 50/50 chance that the US Congress lets them in. The European Union grows larger every day and the US is looking for a way to counter that. Latin America isn't buying into ALCA, so that avenue isn't working too well.

It could happen. Not likely, but not impossible. I give it a 5% chance in the next 30 years.

Loser : Texas sets a legal precedent. That's all that's needed.

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Geo : Our seasons are just as God intended them to be, it's yours that are mixed up.
No, if God had intended Christmas to be in summer he wouldn't have put Santa at the North pole.

There is a reason the Northern Hemisphere is on top Erax.
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Baron Munchausen the maritimes hates the usa as much as Western , Central , Nothern , Southern Canada.

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