SE4 Stock Balance Mod

[Fyron]

That also might be an irrelevant issue for others. If savegames have to be made incompatible, then that should not be a stopping factor IMO. MM could include a "non-balanced" mod folder that people could use to play old games they want to keep playing in the patch...

[Suicide Junkie]

Almost any change will affect savegames. I will email it all to Aaron to see what he likes.

Only really big things like racial traits make the save unloadable...
Moving components will make some saves unusable.
Changing research costs would make some saves unfair.
Only the most trivial changes will not affect savegames at all.

[Rollo]

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
... MM could include a "non-balanced" mod folder ...

well, I think "Classic" would be more appropriate here.

Rollo

[Rollo]

Originally posted by geoschmo:

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Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
Minor Changes:[list][*]Move Standard Armor to below Stealth, scattering and emissive ,

Didn't we determine this change would keep any savegames from being upgradeable? Not saying it shouldn't be done, but that might be a big issue for some.

Geoschmo

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To keep compatibility with saves (which is of major importance IMO) you can do the following to make the armor AI friendly:

add redundant tech requirements to Armor III, so the AI think it is the best armor to use.

Instead of:

Number of Tech Req := 1
Tech Area Req 1 := Armor
Tech Level Req 1 := 3

use this:

Number of Tech Req := 3
Tech Area Req 1 := Armor
Tech Level Req 1 := 3
Tech Area Req 2 := Armor
Tech Level Req 2 := 3
Tech Area Req 3 := Armor
Tech Level Req 3 := 3

The AI will then value this armor higher as any other, since it requires 9 tech levels. No moving of components would be needed.

Rollo

[Fyron]

Originally posted by Rollo:

quote:

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
... MM could include a "non-balanced" mod folder ...

well, I think "Classic" would be more appropriate here.

Rollo

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Probably. I did put it in quotes for a reason.

[Suicide Junkie]

Rollo:

Very good idea, and moves the armor fix down to a trivial change.

[LGM]

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
[b]Any more comments on Point Defense? or the Talisman?
Would a significant defense penalty on the Talisman be a good idea?

A defense penalty would be nice for play balance, but it does not make sense that a blessed ship is easier to hit.

In my mod, I made it 10KT armor, so that you can take it out with the first non shield hit. Temporary blessing.

Otherwise, treat it as an improvement to Sensor III: Either Stackable + 20% or Nonstackable +85%. I think that this would make Religious still worth taking as you get a modifer no one else gets. Combine this with War and Death shrines and they will still be tough advesaries, but no longer untouchable.

This would take away my biggest complaint with the Talisman: Range does not matter, which makes it a +1000% to hit and at least a +50% to defense by hanging out a long range.

[ July 30, 2003, 18:13: Message edited by: LGM ]