OT:US don't qualify for EU membership, don't spank children, WW2 history.

primitive · #1 July 27th, 2003, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by Thermodyne:
The only defense is deterrent. We return the favor 1000 fold. You�re not actually from any one country, no problem, we have more than enough to go around.

Do you really think that such policy will scare madmen away from terrorist actions against the US ? Remember, we are talking about suicide bombers here. People who are mad enough to hijack planes and crash themselves into buildings. People who are mad enough to train their children to strap on a bomb and blow up a bus or a cafe.

Thermodyne · #2 July 28th, 2003, 12:37 AM

Nope, but it will limit the support that other nations are willing to give to them. It will take much more than deterrence to protect America, but I don�t think we are ready to accept that much protection.

primitive · #3 July 28th, 2003, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Thermodyne:
Nope, but it will limit the support that other nations are willing to give to them.

No it will not. If such was ever to become official US policy the cold war would be back in an instant. Only this time the US would find itself alone and isolated.

Thermodyne · #4 July 28th, 2003, 01:47 AM

And your solution would be?

primitive · #5 July 28th, 2003, 03:19 AM

People do not become terrorists for fun. Most people would need a serious grievance against someone before they take the step. As for soulutions: Ask the British, they have some success getting rid of the terrorism in/from Northern Ireland. They did not get it by lining up a random selection of people and shoot them each time somebody blows a bomb. The Germans tried that tactic in occupied Europe during WW2. It didn't work then, it don't work now. Very few people will have trouble accepting "police" type actions agains terrorists, but random return violence is the sure path to more violence.

TerranC · #6 July 28th, 2003, 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by primitive:
As for soulutions: Ask the British, they have some success getting rid of the terrorism in/from Northern Ireland. They did not get it by lining up a random selection of people and shoot them each time somebody blows a bomb.

Yes they did. Heck, they burned whole villages by the dozen in Kenya. They stormed into other people's houses without their consent in America. And I'm sure the British were so benign in India.

If you ask me, the British, along with all the other Colonial powers, created this mess we're in. I hardly believe that asking them for advise is the best way to go at this.

Thermodyne · #7 July 28th, 2003, 03:45 AM

They become terrorists because they have a need to free themselves from occupation, from tyranny, or because they are taught that it is the honorable thing to do. And then there are some that are just plain anarchists. In the situation we have now, the terrorism is state sponsored. This requires that we bring force to bear on the states involved.

As this war, and it is a war, go on America will sacrifice some of its freedoms and become a more difficult place to attack. Then more and more often the attacks will occur on foreign soil. When your oil supply becomes a target, will your country sit back and not respond?

Also, the main ***** of the 9-11 crew was that Americans were defiling holy ground and polluting the Islamic culture. As long as they have this view, there will be no way to dissuade them. Islamic culture is anti human rights. The world is not going to toss out 100 years of technology and advances in the human condition and adopt a feudal way of life to appease these bastards. And America will not let the Islamic world push Israel into the sea, so that problem will also be with us for the next generation or so.

So again I ask, what would you suggest as a more fitting solution.