Massive Power Outage

[tesco samoa]

yea true words.

I need heating in the winter... And I try not to run the AC in the summer.

I am in the process of converting my stove/oven & washer/dryer to gas.

That will really cut the rate down.

Usually the only stuff I run at home all the time is the fridge and freezer. The Computer now I turn it off when not in use.

Other than that it is lights on at night while in the room. And the rest of the stuff only when it is being used.

[DavidG]

Originally posted by Loser:

quote:

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Originally posted by E3:
heh.. Canada could use a civil war.

I mean, we have had one.

It was a bar room brawl in which the only person arrested was an american mercenery who showed up late.

Gotta love Canadians.

This sounds specific. I'm guessing it's either an inside joke or some bit of history that kids in the States missed out on. Enlighten us?

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I think the closed thing Canada came to a Civil war might be the Riel Rebellion. Not a whole lot bigger than a bar room brawl.

[Wardad]

RE: Gas supply interruption in Arizona

To help mitigate the gasoline distribution problem in Phoenix, buisness leaders in the valley are encouraging employees who can carpool, use public transportation, work flexible hours or telecommute (with agreement from his/her manager) to do so. We're also suggesting the use of Online meetings and teleconferencing in place of travel.
In a meeting yesterday at Governor Napolitano's office, businesses were briefed on the following updates:

· Testing of the repaired pipeline is beginning today, and despite an initial failure reported in the media, Kinder Morgan asserts the pipeline will be back in operation this weekend.
· If tests are successful and gasoline begins flowing, it will take several days to restore the area's supply to normal and to stem panic buying; meanwhile, efforts continue to increase incoming supply via trucks.
· The governor has requested permission from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to temporarily allow the use of more generally available fuel blends in Phoenix; in addition, long-term plans include petitioning for modification of Arizona's State Implementation Plan (SIP) for air quality and removal of the requirement that we use a "boutique" fuel blend.
· As a result of price gouging, the governor, attorney general and the state legislature will introduce anti-gouging legislation in the 2004 legislative session. Currently, there is no Arizona law regulating the price of gasoline.
· 60 - 65 percent of valley-wide gas stations are not open or operating. After refueling, gas supplies Last only five to six hours.
· The governor is requesting 60 percent of the state employees in Maricopa County to telecommute, and is requesting county and city governments do the same.


Below are some helpful resources:

· Updates on the gas supply interruption: http://www.azcentral.com.
· Governor Napolitano's updates: http://www.governor.state.az.us.
· To find gas stations, which currently are open: http://kfyi.com/main.html.
· For the best (and worst) gas prices in Arizona: http://www.arizonagasprices.com.

We appreciate everyone's effort to support our community during this period of inconvenience.

[ August 20, 2003, 22:26: Message edited by: Wardad ]

[E3]

DavidG, exactly what I was refering to.
LOL

[Phoenix-D]

What I want to know about the gas situation is this:

-its claimed that the pipeline breaking is the cause of the problem, and that fixing it will resolve the problem
-it is ALSO claimed that we have the same amount of gas on hand as usual, and the problem is getting it to the stations

So how exactly will fixing a pipeline- which of course does NOT delive to individual stations- fix this situation?

[Wardad]

Phoenix-D

Pipelines can carry fuel more efficently over longer distances than trucks can. Think of it as a railroad carrying a lot of heavy freight to a depot. The trucks deliver the fuel from the local terminal (depot) to the local stations.

Shuttng down the pipeline will shut down the local Phoenix terminal. Now the trucks have to drive to Tuscon to pick up the same gas, but there is not as many filling (pump) spots at that terminal.

Other distributers do not have more of Phoenix's special EPA approved blend, so they are not much help.

Who ever said there is the same amount of gas as before is lying and trying to avoid a panic. There will be less than before, but it is enough to get by on, if we all conserve.

[geoschmo]

One truck operating out of a terminal in Phoenix can service more stations in Phoneix then the same truck operating out of a terminal in Tuscon in the same amount of time. So to get the same amount of gas to the Phoenix stations you have to add a whole lot more trucks or drive teh same trucks more hours in the day. This can't be done because normally people don't have fleets of fuel trucks sitting around doing nothing, they are servicing other comunities. And since you can't add mroe hours to the day then you end up with less gas.

[Wardad]

Other gas distributers are unwilling to make Phoenix's summer blend (which contains MTBE).
If they tried they would have a problem come October 2nd when we switch to our winter blend.

The MTBE has been dropped by other states because of aquafer contamination and it is a suspected carcinagen.
Phoenix has been struggling to meet the EPA ozone requirements.

[Wardad]

WoW!!!
I got the Last word in!!!

[Alpha Kodiak]

Originally posted by Wardad:
WoW!!!
I got the Last word in!!!

Sorry Wardad, I can't let you get away with the Last word.

Fuel supplies in the Phoenix area seem to have pretty much stabilized, with no lines and most stations having gasoline. Now if the price would drop down below $2 a gallon....

It's funny how fast the prices go up when there is a shortage (or even the slightest hint of a possible problem), and how s l o w l y they come down when there is plenty of gas.